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    I think that if you know the way I think...

    ...you'll be better prepared for what is in store for you if you play my game. I also want responses/ debates/ whatever you feel like saying. I want you to know me and the know that in "The God Gene" my beliefs will in someway effect the story. (Also, some of the points in my game's story may seem contradictory to what I believe--it does serve a purpose though--and not all of my characters believe the way I do (duh!)) Afterall, you always write what you know...

    I believe that Jehovah is the one true God and that Jesus (or rather Yehsua) died for our sins. Most people are suprised at my theological beliefs, especiall after hearing me rant about Neo-Conservatives, Rush Limbaugh, Pro-Life people, ect.

    I am, however, Anti-Religion "And therefore, Religion is the opiate for the masses"--Karl Marx. Any two-bit, right wing, Christian extremist idiot can quote this phrase, but do they really understand what Karl Marx is getting at? Hell no! Religion can be used to pacify the weak and pain-ridden. That is its purpose. That does not mean, however, that the basis behind a certain belief system is not viable. It is just that all belief systems/ ways of life/ ect all eventually degrade into fads. The Hippie movement started with a few people who were just so disillusioned with the ideals of the modern world--denouncing the holiness of "progress" and "industry"--that they sought to distance themselves from it. It quickly became a group of shaggy wierdos and potheads who weren't good for anything but letting the local fire departments get some target practice in with the fire hoses during the Vietnam War. Religion is much the same way.

    I don't respect your opinions/beliefs/religion/ect. I only tolerate it. And I certainly don't value it! I don't make it my buisness to tell others what they should believe. And I think that the prase "...but I respect that you believe that way" is just a nice way to say that you don't care. Which is exactly the way I feel: I just don't care. I treat your beliefs with complete and toatal indifference.

    Many of America's ideals are anti-Christian and Americans should stop fooling themselves Capitalism? Jesus once said that a rich man would have a harder time getting into Heaven than a poor man. "Oh no he didn't!" Oh yes he did! indeed, the act of turning America into a "wholly Christian state" is entirely un-Christian as it is against Jesus's more Eastern style of "live and let live"--in fact, that is the essence of my argument: Jesus was very eastern in the way he thought and preached, the conduct of the average American is about as western as it gets.

    I am pro choice. But only because I cannot tell a woman that she isn't allowed control over what goes on with her body. I think abortion is wrong, immoral, the whole nine yards. But I just can't be that judge of other people. [edit: and I hate pro-life activists simply because of the propaganda that surronds the phrase "pro-life". It just insinuates that anyone that isn't "Pro-Life" is "Pro-Abortion", which couldn't be further from the truth.]

    I might have more later, but please tell me what you think.
    Last edited by Ivan Rosenguard; 03-02-2007, 01:26 AM.
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    #2
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    We tried this once... I lot of people hated me for it... I believe in the everything theory currently...
    Everything is a Riemann sum of a lot of nothing.

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      #3
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      *is going to bed soon, but cannot wait to get home from work tomorrow and read the response to the controversy Ivan has stirred up*

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        #4
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        Any particular reason for all of this? If not, I don't really care. Sorry.
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          Originally posted by REBOOT !!! View Post
          We tried this once... I lot of people hated me for it...
          Kind of uncalled for.
          Last edited by thetruecoolness; 03-02-2007, 02:23 AM.
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            #6
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            Ah, yes, what the pavilion needs... another religious debate. You stated your opinions clearly and maturely. I hope everyone'll leave it at that.

            Also, Ryner is right. Y'know, before the edit.

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              #7
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              I want to know what ryner said. :-(.

              I'll also respond in some way to this at some point maybe.


              Edit: Now that I know what Ryner said, I have to say that's probably the most pointless edit ever. Didn't nash say he hated gays and that they should burn in hell for disobeying the bible? Or was that someone else? If I'm not mistaken then he very much deserves all the **** that can be thrown at him.
              Last edited by Garr123; 03-02-2007, 02:36 AM.
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                Re: I think that if you know the way I think...

                Originally posted by Ivan Rosenguard View Post
                I don't respect your opinions/beliefs/religion/ect. I only tolerate it. And I certainly don't value it! I don't make it my buisness to tell others what they should believe. And I think that the prase "...but I respect that you believe that way" is just a nice way to say that you don't care. Which is exactly the way I feel: I just don't care. I treat your beliefs with complete and toatal indifference.
                This kind of kills any kind of debate that Ivan may have wanted to start. It overall says that he doesn't care what we believe or what our opinions are. There is really no point in having any type of debate if no one pays attention to it. A major part of a debate happens to be the opinions and beliefs of others.
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                  Re: I think that if you know the way I think...

                  I'm afraid I don't respect your opinions/beliefs/religion/ect. either.

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                    #10
                    Re: I think that if you know the way I think...

                    Wait....You have a game?
                    tumut

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                      #11
                      Re: I think that if you know the way I think...

                      A yellow card? Come on, ref! *Kicks dirt*
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                        your not supposed to take the bible literaly lol

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                          Re: I think that if you know the way I think...

                          I don't respect your opinions/beliefs/religion/ect. I only tolerate it. And I certainly don't value it!
                          If you don't respect our opinions, then why say this?

                          I might have more later, but please tell me what you think.
                          Last edited by Kirin; 03-02-2007, 11:55 AM.
                          In the beginning the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and is widely considered as a bad move.

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                            Originally posted by Caciss View Post
                            Also, Ryner is right. Y'know, before the edit.
                            Originally posted by Garr123 View Post
                            I want to know what ryner said. :-(.
                            Edit: Now that I know what Ryner said, I have to say that's probably the most pointless edit ever. Didn't nash say he hated gays and that they should burn in hell for disobeying the bible? Or was that someone else? If I'm not mistaken then he very much deserves all the **** that can be thrown at him.
                            Originally posted by Ryner View Post
                            A yellow card? Come on, ref! *Kicks dirt*
                            Well insulting others is still against the rules, no matter how many people agree with the insult. Plus here it was unprovoked and really unnecessary in addition to being off topic, so it didn't belong. Also what happened in the past should stay there, what Nash said years ago should be water under the bridge by this point, I'm sure we've all said things we are not particularly proud of, but we shouldn't be insulted here every time we say something because of it. That's a bit elitist, and quite subjective. I don't think you would like it if someone called you retarded, stupid, etc when you said something. I know most of you would probably ignore it, but it still reflects poorly on the forum to have those stay up. By no means am I picking on Ryner, I'm speaking in general, and anyone who insults others (not disagrees there is a difference) will get a warning (or infraction depending on the severity of the insult).

                            As for the topic at hand I'm not really sure what you want people to respond with. I personally agree with abortion in select cases, but I don't think it should be a cop out for people too lazy/ignorant to use a condom/plan ahead. If nothing else give the kid up for adoption, there's some couple out there who can't have kids who would love to have that one.

                            I disagree with this statement "...but I respect that you believe that way" is just a nice way to say that you don't care. If you sincerely mean that then you think that the other person has come to a sound argument, just that it's one you personally don't think is correct given the evidence you've come across. I do think you're right that people do use it that way often, but it really shouldn't be used in that manner. If you're going to properly debate it's important to care about the other persons point of view, or you will never learn anything about their side, and therefore the debate will go no where. I don't think we should all immediately dismiss others ideas because they don't agree with ours. Beliefs change all the time, and as you go through life you're core beliefs will likely change a little, and your fringe ones will likely change on almost a yearly basis. So it's important to do more than just tolerate another opinion, it's also important to know the reason the opinion was reached (no it's not possible to do so for all beliefs, but the more perspectives you have the better conclusion you can reach). While we may think someones else's belief is 'wrong' we should not discount the fact that we can still learn something from it if it was reached by more than just feeling.

                            As for the other points I agree to a certain extent. I think all to often we forget that organized religion is not the only form of groupthink. A lot of times Science, logic, and other forms of reasoning can be relied upon just like a religion. We oftentimes become full of our own supposed intelligence, and will rely on it much like a belief, as many science thoughts are theories and not facts (meaning we think they are correct, and seem to work well so far). So while people will claim they can be proven wrong and right, using what system? Normally science and logic, the exact thing you used to come up with the theory. Not saying it's wrong, just saying there is more to logic and knowledge than meets the eye as those are also based on original assumptions, just like religion. This doesn't discount either, but just should make us more careful than to just accept logic and science as absolute truth, as knowing any other absolute truth than there is an absolute truth (though even that uses logic, as assuming the opposite creates a logical contradiction), is improbable at best.

                            So as Jamos pointed out, this "I don't respect your opinions/beliefs/religion/ect. I only tolerate it. And I certainly don't value it!" is not the best way to start a productive debate. Well productive in the sense that each side will be fairly represented and not discriminated against. Whether debates solve anything is in itself it debatable, but it does seem to help broaden peoples horizons, which is normally considered a good thing.
                            Last edited by thetruecoolness; 03-02-2007, 06:50 AM.
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                              #15
                              Re: I think that if you know the way I think...

                              I agree with thetruecoolness. You ask for our feedback and opinions, but if you don't value what we have to say, then there's really no point in saying anything. It would be like talking to a brick wall.

                              Honestly, I don't agree with you on many of the things you've said. But I am not one to fight with people on what they choose to believe. And I'm not good at debating issues, so I will simply say that I respect your opinions that you have--even if I'm not on the same page with you. And for the record, I do value your opinions. I may not agree with them, but I value them.

                              I think your game will be quite interesting indeed, considering all that you've outlined here.
                              Last edited by Misty; 03-02-2007, 07:45 PM.

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