Bonanza Presents: The Urban Topic (4/29/08)

[Toaster]

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Rock isn't dead... it's just on life support after beating shot 12 times in the chest.

[peachy]

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I <3 Kanye, Jay-Z, Lupe, Common, Wu-Tang, MF Doom, and whatever else is super fly and funky fresh.

To be completely honest, I think todays rap is leagues better than most anything in any of the rock genres. Aside from Queens of the Stoneage, Radiohead, and some White Stripes, I'd go as far to say that Rock is dead.

I support your topic Bonanza.

LOL?

the new queens of the stoneage was so bad that i wanted to hit my friend for buying me the cd.

[Biggie]

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Are you serial?

Era Vulgarus owns your noob head!

[Toaster]

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He's super cereal.



Queens of the Stoneage isn't exactly the best thing the Rock genre has going for it. I like them, but there are better bands out there.

And why are we talking about Rock in a URBAN THREAD? lol.

[highwind]

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i only really like biggie and nAs.

[Big Rick Cook]

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I like ICP. Still.

[Bon]

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Hip hop is far from dead. You just have not done enough research to know what else is out there. Examples: Aesop Rock, Deltron, Prefuse 73, and Mr. Lif. Also check out Roots Manuva, aBritish rapper. If you want to go back a few years, check out Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy and Tricky's Maxinquaye and Pre-Millenium Tension albums (even though technically, that's "trip hop"). As for turntablist stuff (what you would probably call a DJ...even though now there's almost an entire genre built upon musicians who manipulate vinyl as their composition, with or without having an MC), I recommend Jurassic 5, DJ Shadow, DJ Spooky, The X-ecutioners, Invisibl Skratch Piklz, DJ Q-Bert, and Kid Koala (who voluntuntarily retired from active competition at the DMC World DJ Championships, because he kept winning every year...he typically uses 4 turntables simultaneously).

I think I gave you an almost identical list less than a year ago, Bonanza, and I can see how much good it did.

Anyway, don't be a sheep following the mainstream herd. Think outside of the box. Type "turntablism" into wikipedia, and learn a little history (especially seeing as how you'd said you had never heard Herbie Hancock's Rockit). As Del the Funky Homosapien says on the album Deltron 3030, "Upgrade your grey matter, 'cuz one day it may matter."

EDIT: Also type "underground hip hop" into wikipedia for more good information...using my PS3, so I can't provide direct links. Also, if you don't take my advice this time, Bonanza, and don't take the time to do a LITTLE research on anything I've said, and make another topic a year from now bemoaning the "death of hip hop," I'll give up on you as a lost cause. My MAIN focus in discovering good music is, take the time to do a bit of legwork and research. If your ONLY exposure to music is what the mainstream media shoves down your throat and tells you is good, then not only are you doing yourself a disservice, but you are in no way qualified to complain about how bad "most" music is nowadays. If your only exposure to music is what the mainstream offers you, you are living a sheltered musical life. Engage your brain, do some research, and expand your horizons by taking your damn blinders off. It's worth it in the end.

I'll heavily consider this advice. I promise, Perv. I didn't mean to discredit your choices for hip hop greats, but I will admit that I did rush this topic a little (I was typing this 10 minutes before class), and the choices I had for good hip-hop were the only ones that stuck to me at that moment. I noticed a few other hip hop greats you and other Pavilionites have listed, and I feel ashamed for not having listen them. I hope you forgive me, Perv. You do have a point: I have mainly indulged in the mainstream rap and have little to no experience with what's in the underground and turntable circuit (I do, however, reaserch musicians on a daily basis; I may not do this for everyone, but damn it, I do research nontheless). Once again, I hope you forgive me.

[Toaster]

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I hope Perv forgives you, too.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or sincere. So what if your tastes in the hip-hop are limited to the mainstream spectrum? You're from the MTV generation afterall. Hell, most people don't even know that the Hip-Hop scene owes it's life to Disco.

Just take this as an opportunity to broaden your horizons and start exploring the underground of it all. There's much better stuff to be found that doesn't even get any airplay. Take Atmosphere for example. A local hero and champion of Hip-Hop from Minneapolis and he is a highly regardeded artist and performer. I don't even like Hip-Hop that much and I love his music, and he's just recently taking himself into new territory with the introduction of a band to his already well-established career and skills. It's a totally different sound and not at all like Slug's previous tracks. I suggest looking him up sometime if you haven't heard of him. But even he's getting a little mainstream these days. That's the problem of it all, once you get good you become mainstream. Then you sell out to the corporate fat cats and begin to start rapping about money, hoes, and rims again.

[highwind]

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I like ICP. Still.

[Owl of Parliament]

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[Sampson]

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Anyone ever heard of Immortal Technique?

He's a nut job, and his beats suck, but his lyrics are extremely powerful, and he refuses to sell out despite being offered numerous big label contracts.

[JPS]

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I lived in an urban setting for 21 years, so Ive seen it all, I used to listen to rap way back(i.e. ODB, Master P, Wu-Tang, BT&H, etc) but Ive grown out of that.

I have nothing racially to say about the black community's style and fashion, its their own "art form" if you will, and although it does irritate me sometimes to see something completely stupid or see a rapper make up a word to rhyme with another, its still their style, and whining about it isnt going to make it go away.

[Perversion]

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I refuse to forgive you Bonanza, but only because I was not expecting some sort of apology or something. Like Toaster said, if that's all you're familiar with, so be it. But with some advice given in this thread, it will hopefully allow you to do a bit of research. If you find out about a new artist you'd never heard of before, listen to him (them), and don't like what you hear, then that's your prerogative. My only point was that if you only listen to what mainstream mags/radio give you, you are not qualified to say "All rock sucks nowadays," or "Hip hop is dead," or anything similar. Because there is SO much more out there that IS good that you just have not been exposed to yet. So take this opportunity to do so.

In fact, now that I'm on a PC, I'll make it easy for you, and give you the links I mention in my last post:

Turntablism
Underground hip hop

In fact, after clicking the turntablism link, you might be surprised to find that DJ scratching/mixing had its roots in the 40s/50s musique concrète movement (basically, early experimentalism with electronics, and using traditional instruments and sounds in ways they were not "meant" to be used).

[highwind]

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Anyone ever heard of Immortal Technique?

He's a nut job, and his beats suck, but his lyrics are extremely powerful, and he refuses to sell out despite being offered numerous big label contracts.

gotta love the song about watching the guy rape his mom.

[Sampson]

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gotta love the song about watching the guy rape his mom.

Dance with the Devil.

Drive around with someone late at night, who has never heard it before. Then put it on and refuse to talk, just let them listen to it. Greatest responses ever.