wtf utah.

[jacquel]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-1913019.html

"Utah is used to criticism from some of its more liberal neighbours for
its socially conservative ways that range from allowing concealed guns
on its state university campus to strict limits on alcohol sales. It has
not gone unnoticed that consideration of the bill, with the potentially
high costs it would entail, has ...coincided with a debate on cancelling
the last year of school for Utah children to help to save the state
money."

[Goufunaki]

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Well, Utah is certainly the place to be.

[Ryner]

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pursue women who seek illegal, unsupervised forms of abortion, it includes a provision that could trigger murder charges against women found guilty of an "intentional, knowing or reckless act" that leads to a miscarriage.

Seems like a good idea to me. Why not charge these people with crimes?

I'd agree that the law needs a lot of clarification to make sure you don't charge people who are just victims of innocent accidents, but the core of the argument seems solid.

[Kire]

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Hmmm....I think that trying to prove someone intentionally fell down the stairs or wandered into a Falcon Punch is dangerous territory.

[jacquel]

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With Kire. The idea that any woman who has a miscarriage could be investigated (which nothing seems to imply this would not happen) is ridiculous. Such an event is traumatizing enough without then having a criminal investigation opened on you.

[Ryner]

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I'm talking more about the obvious stuff like the example in the article where a woman paid some guy to assault her so she would have a miscarriage.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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more dumb laws. states or provinces shouldnt have the right to make laws of this nature, those should be reserved for the elected government so laws remain consistent across a country, and to prevent local bias from one part of a country.

laws like this set the country back before womans rights. give people their right to their own beliefs and allow them to to face their own morality. that is freedom.

[jacquel]

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Um... I'd agree with the second part, not the first. State laws- including possible contradictions they create- were intentionally put in place to prevent the national government from ever becoming as absolute-powerful as a monarchy.

In other words Utah has a right to be insane and the rest of us have a right to judge them for it.

[Sampson]

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I don't disagree with the law.

If you're going to abort, just abort.

Many times, the attempted miscarriages fail and the kid is born deformed. Now, you have a potentially retarded/physically deformed child born to a mother that never wanted it in the first place.

[jacquel]

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While the main thrust of the law is to enable prosecutors in the majority-Mormon state to pursue women who seek illegal, unsupervised forms of abortion, it includes a provision that could trigger murder charges against women found guilty of an "intentional, knowing or reckless act" that leads to a miscarriage. Some say this could include drinking one glass of wine too many, walking on an icy pavement or skiing.

I think you're missing the part thats upsetting ya'll

[Sampson]

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Some say this could include drinking one glass of wine too many, walking on an icy pavement or skiing.

Which basically means some feminist lawyer is making ridiculous claims.

Do you think a jury is actually going to convict a woman for murder if she fell on the ice? Do you think the police will waste their time?

[The Toecutter]

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"Utah is used to criticism from some of its more liberal neighbours for
its socially conservative ways that range from allowing concealed guns
on its state university campus to strict limits on alcohol sales. It has
not gone unnoticed that consideration of the bill, with the potentially
high costs it would entail, has ...coincided with a debate on cancelling
the last year of school for Utah children to help to save the state
money."

The portion is bold is actually a good idea. The proposed law that is the subject of this topic, among many of Utah's laws, are not so good ideas due to the fact that they restrict civil liberties, rather than foster them...

[Sampson]

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How many shootings occur on property where guns are banned?

[Kire]

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As many as those where they're not...actually other than Columbine, don't most of 'em happen in the Souf?

[Shard]

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I think the language is pretty soft and indistinct, you'd have multiple court cases questioning what is and is not reckless behavior.

I have a hard time believing that this is the cause that Utah needs to be giving special attention though.

It's pretty clear the people involved at the periphery (both sides) are using it as a proxy for their culture war.