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    U.S. passes bill to mandate national ID card

    The senate voted unanimously. Shows what kind of 'opposition party' we have. I'd like to know where in the constitution that this is allowed.

    http://news.com.com/Senate+approves+...2505&subj=news

    Senate approves electronic ID card bill

    By Declan McCullagh
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com

    Last-minute attempts by online activists to halt an electronic ID card failed Tuesday when the U.S. Senate unanimously voted to impose a sweeping set of identification requirements on Americans.

    The so-called Real ID Act now heads to President Bush, who is expected to sign the bill into law this month. Its backers, including the Bush administration, say it's needed to stop illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses.

    If the act's mandates take effect in May 2008, as expected, Americans will be required to obtain federally approved ID cards with "machine readable technology" that abides by Department of Homeland Security specifications. Anyone without such an ID card will be effectively prohibited from traveling by air or Amtrak, opening a bank account, or entering federal buildings.

    After the Real ID Act's sponsors glued it to an Iraq military spending bill, final passage was all but guaranteed. Yet that didn't stop a dedicated cadre of privacy activists from trying to raise the alarm in the last few days.

    UnRealID.com, which calls the legislation a "national ID card," says that more than 10,800 people filled out its online petition to senators.

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation hastily created a "Stop The Real ID Act!" campaign last week, and the ACLU denounced the bill as a measure that would create "a system ripe for identity theft." Security guru Bruce Schneier offered his own negative critique.

    If the Real ID Act had been a standalone piece of legislation--instead of being embedded in an unrelated military spending bill--its passage in the Senate might have been less certain.

    The House approved it in February by a relatively narrow vote of 261-161, and some senators had condemned it. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., warned last month that the Real ID Act creates "de facto national ID cards" and the National Immigration Law Center said it will make it harder even for legal immigrants and citizens to get drivers' licenses.

    Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican and Real ID Act sponsor, applauded the Senate vote on Tuesday. "The Real ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks," Sensenbrenner said. "By targeting terrorist travel, the Real ID will assist in our war-on-terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders."
    The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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    Mixed feelings. I think I'm all for it though.
    Took me 15 minutes to remember how to change my signature, and this is all I came up with.

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      #3
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      Why so?
      The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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        Standardization. I don't really care who's tracking me. Laziness. I'd rather not debate it with you, I know your reasons and this is just one of those things we butt heads on. I see your side, but I think their case maybe stronger at this point.
        Took me 15 minutes to remember how to change my signature, and this is all I came up with.

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          you should just ignore the internet and all other conspiracy crap and just enjoy life. this country isnt nearly as bad as you make it out to be. other countries are much worse off. its not perfect, no place is. you're not going to change the world. why try?

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            I agree with Miko.

            Really, I don't see the big deal of a National ID Card.

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              #7
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              The ideal card should verify, not identify.
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                Standardization. I don't really care who's tracking me. Laziness. I'd rather not debate it with you, I know your reasons and this is just one of those things we butt heads on. I see your side, but I think their case maybe stronger at this point.
                That's the thing. There are other people that do care whether or not they are being tracked. Why should someone be able to regulate them without their consent? I don't see any strength in their case, considering it will always be possible to forge such things, anyone that wants to commit an act of terrorism will do so, terrorism is one of the least of our problems anyway(in terms of number of deaths, financial damages, ect., air pollution and lack of affordable healthcare are much, much worse), and illegal immigrants are going to keep coming here no matter what laws get passed, and they still won't get caught because their employers are continuing to break the law without the government even caring about that little detail. If anything, this legislation a waste of tax dollars and a useless reason to forfeit a right to privacy, aside from the other reasons I'm against it.

                I know I won't be getting one, that's for damn sure.

                you should just ignore the internet and all other conspiracy crap and just enjoy life.
                Sadly, this is not 'conspiracy crap', but is exactly what is going on. Governments slowly siphoning away civil liberties is most often how dictatorships have formed, and exactly what civil libertarians of centuries past warned directly against. I enjoy life enough as it is, but that's no reason to ignore society's problems. It's all the more reason to at least attempt to correct them, regardless of whether or not an impact will be made.

                this country isnt nearly as bad as you make it out to be. other countries are much worse off.
                Other countries being worse still doesn't justify this country's errors. And when people are beaten in the streets with batons simply for excersising thier first amendment rights without even having committed a crime and people have weapons pointed at them by figures of authority without probable cause, I'd say that's a big red flag that are country is turning into one of those that 'are much worse off'.

                its not perfect, no place is. you're not going to change the world. why try?
                Why try? If no one tried, nothing would ever have changed. I don't expect posting about this on the internet to make any sizable impact, but at least people will know what is going on in the case they bother to read.
                The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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                  I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
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                    #10
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                    Originally posted by Mikochan
                    its not perfect, no place is.
                    What about Japan? What about JAPAN!?

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                      Godzilla.

                      And tiny penis.
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                        Originally posted by Ryner
                        Godzilla.

                        And tiny penis.

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                          #13
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                          i guess that explains why you never see godzillas goods

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                            I still think that George Bush has a copy of 1984 and is using it as his 'government for dummies' handbook.
                            "Mindless killing doesn't do a lot for me anymore." - Sampson

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                              #15
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                              As long as they don't imprint it into the flesh of our hands or of our foreheads, I'm fine with it.

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