Wow, what fun he must have letting his friend off the hook.
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Scooter Libby doesn't have to go to jail. Thank god for Bush!
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Sorry, they didn't have the story up yet when I posted it.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/...nce/index.html
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Anyone want to give odds that Libby's name is at the top of the Pardon List at the tail end of Bush's term in office?
Currently he still has to pay the fine and the felony is on his record. A pardon would wipe his slate clean. Nice to have friends in high places.So you're a fish out of water...
Keep swimming.
What else can you do?
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i was hoping he wouldn't "pull a clinton" with a massive list of final pardons when he leaves office, but after this, and what with alot of his friends being criminals(if they were smart, they'd confess now so he could pardon them when he leaves),i imagine his list will be four times as long.
CAN'T THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM OVERRULE THIS SOMEHOW?!! CHECKS AND BALANCES GODDAMNIT!
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It would be OK if he Pardoned him.
That's within Presidential Authority.
Constitutionally he can Pardon or Reprieve. Not Commute sentences!
Stolen from another Forum:
No Federal Caselaw supports this illegal assertion of non-delegated Judicial Power.
Only Two Options: The President illegally created a new, third option outside what the Framers intended. This option only exists for Governors.
The President has two options in re Libby: To issue a reprieve or a pardon. Neither was done.
"he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
Article II
There is no mention of "commutation" in the Constitution, only pardons and reprieves. The three are not the same.
Definitions
All actions related to the Libby commutation fall outside the Constitution.
Reprieve: "postpone the punishment of a convicted criminal, such as an execution" -- The President did not do this, but gave him "half a pardon". This is illegal--Nothing was postponed; ,b>some of the sentence was ignored.
Pardon: "forgiveness: the act of excusing a mistake or offense. This was not done.
Commutation: The reduction of a sentence, as from death to life imprisonment. This was not lawfullyl done; the President was delegated no power to do this. He may only issue pardons or grant repreives.
Conclusions
1. Non-delegated
The President asserted a non-delegated judicial power. The Constitution and no precedent supports this action. The "commutation" option does not exist in the US Constitution, only at a State level by governors.
2. Unlawful action
The President has illegally reduced the sentence of Libby. He has the power to delay the entire the sentence [reprieve]; or he can forgive Libby [pardon]. The President chose to do something that was a "middle option," but that option does not exist.
3. War Crimes
The President's actions in re Libby today are Unconstitutional, and linked apparently with efforts to reward Libby for thwarting the Geneva Conventions in re unlawful retaliation against witnesses to war crimes.
4. Obstruction of Justice
The President has illegally asserted powers not delegated in re Libby sentencing. This is illegal, impersmissible, and suggests obstruction of justice to reward Libby for retaliation and other illegal activity.
I hates stuff like this...
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Thank god he hasn't been arrested to put Cheney in charge?George Bush doesn't have to go to jail. Thank god for...
Edit: That would soooo suck to have Giuliani in '08.Last edited by The Toecutter; 07-13-2007, 03:29 AM.The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson
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