Is Oil REALLY a big deal?

[archerarmored]

OPEC can't charge anymore for oil or people won't buy it anymore. That's obvious. Yeah we know the oil reserves are drying up too, the only thing we really need oil for is stuff like jet fuel, and that's until we can manufacture it.

Anyway, I'm sided with Terr on conservation. I must admit that electric cars are gay looking though....that's why BIO DEISEL is making an entrance!

A couple places downtown and in boulder sell Bio deisel, and with 50-60 miles per gallon I'm surely going to get a bio-deisel car. Did you know CSM is working on a project to make a bio-deisel harvesting machine for under $10,000? After these machines are put on a production line their price will drop way down. This is going to open a huge farming boom for rural areas.

I'm not sober right now so this might not make the most sense...but have any of you guys heard about bio deisel too? Oh I forgot to mention it burns alot cleaner than regular gasoline.

[archerarmored]

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SO someday I'll have maybe several townships grow soybeans and be the saudi arabia of bio-deisel...Mwuhahah.

[Magus]

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You browse the net drunk?

[The Toecutter]

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OPEC can't charge anymore for oil or people won't buy it anymore.

Wanna make a bet? Oil is the only choice being offered to consumers right now. Unless you're willing to make alternatives yourself and use them, it's either oil or nothing. Again, the politics are the reason, as the technology exists and works.

Yeah we know the oil reserves are drying up too, the only thing we really need oil for is stuff like jet fuel, and that's until we can manufacture it.

And textiles.
And plastics.
And metallurgy.
And paper.
And microprocessors...

That is, until alternatives are sold to people in large quantities. With the control the oil industry has, it won't happen, unless people start taking matters into their own hands, either in their garages, OR by use of force to those causing the problems.

Anyway, I'm sided with Terr on conservation. I must admit that electric cars are gay looking though....that's why BIO DEISEL is making an entrance!

Gay-looking? How so? They don't have to have the designs of the ones I've shown you, but they do in order to achieve lower coefficients of drag, improving aerodynamics and thus decreasing energy consumption, and extending the amount of range per pound of battery.

I know people that have built electric musclecars and SUVs, but to go a certain distance, they will need more batteries than a small economy car or a neck-snapping but tiny sportscar.

Ever see an electric Pontiac GTO, electric Mustang, or an electric Jeep Grand Cherokee? People have built them.

A couple places downtown and in boulder sell Bio deisel, and with 50-60 miles per gallon I'm surely going to get a bio-deisel car.

50-60 miles per gallon with a small car like a VW Rabbit or VW Golf. Those are the same cars many build EVs out of, being just as 'gay-looking' as any compact EV.

However, with a sexy sports car, like a Triumph spitfire or MGB GT, you could get 50-60 miles per gallon from biodiesel, but that means you'd have to install a diesel engine into it. I've toyed with the idea of making my soon to be electric race car a biodiesel-electric hybrid, putting in a 150 horsepower 200 lb-ft of torque VW Jetta turbodiesel into it, and having a 100 horsepower AC motor running off of a 100 pound Ultracapacitor pack. Would have gotten an estimated 80 miles per gallon, 0-60 acceleration of 4 seconds, and a top speed in exces of 170 MPH. But would have also cost me $30,000+. Another option would be just building a plain biodiesel sports car, without the electric motor and such. 0-60 would have been about 5.5-6 seconds, top speed around 150, and 45-50 miles per gallon. That would have cost about $7,000.

I then decided a pure EV like what I'm currently building, would have been the best option. About $11,000 to build, 0-60 MPH < or = 6 seconds or so, top speed > 140 MPH, and much cheaper to run than a biodiesel car due to electricity being so cheap.

Did you know CSM is working on a project to make a bio-deisel harvesting machine for under $10,000? After these machines are put on a production line their price will drop way down. This is going to open a huge farming boom for rural areas.

I'm not sober right now so this might not make the most sense...but have any of you guys heard about bio deisel too? Oh I forgot to mention it burns alot cleaner than regular gasoline.

No need, although it will help the case of biodiesel even more.

If you make biodiesel yourself from hemp, it's cheaper to make than gasoline. From soy though, it's more expensive. Since industrial hemp growing is not recognized in this country(legal, BUT the government refuses to grant permits for it, and has since WWII), soy biodiesel is what people sell. And soy biodiesel costs big money.

SO someday I'll have maybe several townships grow soybeans and be the saudi arabia of bio-deisel...Mwuhahah.

Problems with soy biodiesel:

Land use: Using soy for biodiesel is not efficient enough to make ourselves independent from oil. It would take over 90% of our ariable land. Much like ethanol. HOWEVER, if hemp were used, we could grow it in desert land that otherwise cannot be farmed, without having to cut into farmland. But the government won't let upeople grow hemp. Solution: we need to end the war on drugs to make biodiesel production feasable with everyone's favorite plant.

Cost: $2.50 a gallon for soy biodiesel is a lot of cash. Better to use hemp and cut the cost in half. Again, the government refuses to let people grow hemp.


Overall, hemp and marijuana would benefit the farmers more than soy, as they could make things other than biodiesel with it. But the pharmaceutical industries don't want people growing pot as a means to ease pain from illnesses(They'd rather peddle costly prescription meds, getting more money from your pocket to them, while pot you can grow for free), oil industries don't want biodiesel taking hold(obvious), and chemical industries don't like the idea of you being able to make your own plastics. That would all mean you get to keep your money, instead of being forced to pay these companies in some form. These companies own our government through lobbying and bribing of politicians.

Solution: shoot the politicians, lynch the executives, burn the written laws. (Said tongue in cheek).

[archerarmored]

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And textiles.
And plastics.
And metallurgy.
And paper.
And microprocessors...

Hey I can't remember everything!

I'm not sober right now

Anyway, I am now. The machines that get the bio deisel cost around $100,000 right now. After the project is done, you will see much cheaper ones that work more effectively.

Er...ill finish this post tomorrow

[Ryner]

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Or dont. Either way.

[The Toecutter]

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I don't know about you Ryner, but people actually do find interest in these topics along with the posts contained in them, and read them.

[Riotsword]

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Yeah, Ryner. STFU.

Since industrial hemp growing is not recognized in this country(legal, BUT the government refuses to grant permits for it, and has since WWII)

When will these jag-offs realize, that hemp is NOT weed! I mean, you can't smoke your hemp bookbag and get high.

Puritans, man. Go to Canada. A country NOT founded by puritans!

[Big Rick Cook]

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Terr, your knowledge amazes me. It really does. I'm glad you're on the little people's side, though.

[Funk]

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Peanut oil is the best. The best food comes out of peanut oil.

[The Toecutter]

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Yes. It is possible to run a car on straight vegetable oil and you will see slight horsepower gains, but you have to be careful. Impurities could ruin your engine, although if you know what you're doing, you'll know how to filter them out so there's no worries. Just go up to some Thai restaraunt, offer to take their grease off their hands for free since they'd normally have to pay to get rid of it, and fill 'er up!