Pre-emptive "Microsoft confirms or debunks rumors" thread

[Garr123]

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As a fighting game player who uses a pad, I have to say the d-pad is cringe inducing. With the 360 I could bust out a dremel and take the controller apart to fix its problems, this new one just looks fundamentally ****ed.

(to anyone curious: it entails opening up the well with a dremel, removing some unnecessary support from the pads inside that cause them to stick, and adding a plastic disk between the rubber and plungers so that they're always touching and easily triggered.)

[John Mora]

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If the average speed were to go up to 100mbps or whatever, all kinds of crazy **** will happen. But both Sony and Microsoft are betting that the crazy **** will include streaming games.

But I'm also saying as I'm guessing one of the few people here who's seen Google Fiber in action when it came to streaming games... you could tell it was streaming and not being played from a console. It was palpably different.

[Stormy]

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And part of that is because the rest of the internet is not Fiber-ed yet.

Sampson is right on this, I think. 8 years ago a 128mb flash drive was new and shiny. It was amazing. I have two 16gb flash drives and an 8gb. That is 128 and 64 times, respectively, the size of the best flash media 8 years ago.

Internet speeds havene't increased at quite such a drastic rate, but damn people. You need to stop doubting the rate of advancement in computers. Although Moore's Law can't hope to hold out for much longer (laws of physics start to get in the way, and quantum computing is useful in very limited applications currently), but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Although, I'm surprised you fell for the bit vs byte trick. ISPs have been doing that for years.

[highwind]

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Still not understanding how this would make gaming "better"

It only sounds like complicating everything unnecessarily.

EDIT:

[Nova]

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Sorry, my math was horribly off. It runs at 1GB/sec which means it would could download the complete Uncharted game in 45 seconds. That's not nearly as impressive, but should still more than allow for streaming super HD games.

Google Fiber is a Gigabit a second, not a Gigabyte if I'm not mistaken. A Gigabit is roughly 128 MB/sec. That's still lightning fast, but it's still only a tenth of what you're thinking of.

[Riotsword]

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Google Fiber is a Gigabit a second, not a Gigabyte if I'm not mistaken. A Gigabit is roughly 128 MB/sec. That's still lightning fast, but it's still only a tenth of what you're thinking of.

Good job reading the topic.

...No. Google Fiber in Kansas City is offered at 700 Mbps wired, or 87.5MB per second.

A 50GB game would take 9.75 minutes to download. Still super fast, but not as ridiculous as you think it is.

It isn't 1 Gigabyte per second, its 1 Gigabit, you have to divide by 8 to get the GB per second. You're calculating Gb, not GB.

1Gb, 128MB per second threshold.

Or not.

[Nova]

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I replied before I reloaded the page, so none of the other comments (including Macalacks) were there. Let's move on.

[Sampson]

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Still not understanding how this would make gaming "better"

It only sounds like complicating everything unnecessarily.

-The end of piracy (good for gamers who don't pirate)
-The ability to offer much better graphics
-No need to ever download or patch a game again
-Consoles would be cheap as dirt
-Alternative game pricing schemes (if games all shifted to a subscription model, some could charge more or less; some companies could offer an all-access pass to their games, etc. etc.)
-More "console" companies

On the last point, if cloud gaming really did take off, the entire console paradigm would be effectively over. Instead of companies needing to design, build, ship and support consoles, all they would need to do is have a bunch of cloud servers that they could farm out to game companies. Access to these cloud servers would require only a very cheap Internet box, or it could just be built right into the TVs themselves.

Given that both Google and Amazon have a lot invested in cloud computing servers, I could see them both jumping in. Perhaps that's why Google tried to sue Microsoft over the Xbox for patent infringement.

[Biggie]

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-Consoles would be cheap as dirt.

I seriously doubt that.

[Sampson]

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Yeah, they would be, because they wouldn't need to have much actual hardware. The processing is being done on a distant server; the box itself only acts as an interface between you and that server.

You can see this in the Google Chromebooks. You can get a laptop for $200 because it doesn't run any local software.

[Biggie]

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Some reason I read that as "console games will be cheap as dirt."

I'm just a big Ol' dummy don't mind me.

[Valkysas]

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Good job, Call of Duty. Very impressive.

[Mcardy]

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Its so realistic.

[Magus]

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My god. Many PS2 games look better than that.

edit: Also, after this generation, how can you possibly be optimistic?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=566

No, here's the problem. Tomb Raider sold 3.4m units in the space of a month and it's a "failure" because it will fail to recoup its budget.

THREE POINT FOUR MILLION ****ING UNITS FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A B-TIER FRANCHISE AND THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

And killing used games would have solved this how? Would it have made the execs at Squenix who thought throwing $100m budget at a franchise that's been irrelevant since the turn of the century suddenly get a clue?

Oh, but no, they argue "GAMERS PUSH FOR HIGHER AND HIGHER BUDGETS AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT! THEIR ENTITLEMENT COMPLEX CAN'T BE SATIATED! WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LET BUDGETS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL!" and that's lovely, but since when did they ever give a **** about what we actually thought?

Are Microsoft going to turn around and backtrack on this DRM fiasco because "WE HAVE TO GIVE GAMERS WHAT THEY WANT!"? Are they ****.

Are EA going to throw all their games up on Steam and patch Sim City to not need the stupid Origin authentication because "THAT'S WHAT THOSE ENTITLED GAMERS ARE SCREAMING FOR!"? **** no.

If you couldn't afford to give people what they wanted, then why didn't you just turn around and say no like you do with every other thing we complain about? Here's why; Every publisher big and small decided to get into a dick waving contest and it turns out that not everyone has a big dick. Squenix got its tiny little acorn **** out and went up against Mandingo Activision screaming "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE JUNK! YOU'LL WANT TO CARE FOR IT!" and everyone just turned around and shrugged and bought something else.

Not everyone has a big dick. Acting like you have a big dick when you don't have a big dick is going to make the reveal of your tiny little penis all the more humiliating. And that's what happened here. Squenix acted like Tomb Raider, a franchise that habitually sells less than 3m lifetime per entry was going to suddenly sell COD numbers just because they spent $100m on it and guess what happened? THE ****ING INEVITABLE.

In terms of the franchise post-Core, the game is going to do really well, probably double what you'd expect from a Tomb Raider game post-PSone but it cost far, far too much.

But no, it's all used games that did this. Used games made Capcom make some horrible design decisions on DmC and **** off the entire fanbase. Used games made Activision and EA flood the market with guitar games and accessories long after people stopped caring. Used games made Microsoft make a fourth Gears of War game that nobody asked for from a developer nobody cares about. Used games made Sony pump out another God of War game after they spent the past few years flooding the market with HD remasters. Used games made Sony make a Smash Bros clone with no appealing characters to help sell it. Used games made Bizarre Creations make James Bond and racing games no-one wanted. Used games make publishers shutter studios the moment the game they were working on goes gold, before they've even had a chance to sell a single new copy, let alone a used one.

I could go on. And on. And on. You could write a book about every single executive level screw-up this gen and yet these same people with their million dollar salaries and their shill puppets still try to insult our intelligence and blame used games and awful, entitled consumers for companies shutting and talented people losing their jobs.

So please forgive our cynicism when we don't want to buy into the bull**** you're spouting.

NSFW but apropos YouTube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN_F0Gqe0_o

[Caciss]

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I can't get that angry about anything in my life, let alone video games.