Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

[peachy]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

So basically you're saying some people got their panties in a bunch because they disliked being flashed from a certain spot so they made it illegal? The people who agreed on that are amazingly gigantic *****es.

Also, don't you pretty much just have to register to play CAL? The only big gaming comp I follow is EVO, so I don't know.

the lower levels of cal you only need to register to play, but our main team had former cal-m+ players and had we been able to put together a solid lineup rather than only 3 of us really only being committed, then we would have moved up.


the illegal flash from lower made everyone in tunnels, as well as outside b, flashed for the full flash time, no matter where you looked. honestly, when we played practice scrims screwing around with this flash, all we did was the illegal ledge stack on ledge a to watch long and cat, then we had everyone else rush tunnels with the illegal flash. in our run of abusing both those bugs we would finish the first half up like 13-2 and 14-1.

stuff like that is game breaking, and therefore illegal.

also, CEVO has rules too, and im pretty sure that CEVO rules and CAL rules are pretty close to the same.

[Magus]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

I would agree, except that something like snaking doesn't belong on that list. While many different tricks/glitches/exploits CAN be countered in several ways effectively, leading to a fun and challenging competition, the only way to overcome someone who snakes is to snake yourself. And that's when Mario Kart: DS becomes Snakemaster 5000.

I thought the fun of video games was in dealing with multiple variables to achieve victory, even as your opponent actively changes your viable options. If you're going to challenge someone to overcome you in a single task, why play a video game? Why not just go out and challenge someone to a foot race?

I do blame play testers, but I also think game players, snakers and non-snakers, are being silly for continuing to a play games with such obvious faults when there are better options out there.

Win.

[ErikaFuzzbottom]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

I do blame play testers, but I also think game players, snakers and non-snakers, are being silly for continuing to a play games with such obvious faults when there are better options out there.

If there is another online kart-racing game out there worth playing, I'd like to know.

Oh wait. Diddy Kong Racing. Is that the only other choice?

[peachy]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

If there is another online kart-racing game out there worth playing, I'd like to know.

Oh wait. Diddy Kong Racing. Is that the only other choice?

nexon released a US beta of kart rider. kart rider has a professional circuit in korea, so disregarding any cheats its pretty much balanced, fair gameplay.

[Vandal KING]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

Dribbling forward in Soccer is obviously the most effective, but I like dribbling down the field backwards!! IT'S UNFAIR THAT I CAN'T DO THIS AND STILL WIN.

You fail for not making sense. That's not even what I meant.

[Caciss]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

Well if you can win with Blaziken then who cares if people say you're a noob. Crush them to dust.

oh no he called me a noob for using different pokemon. :[

Why you complaining about that.

I figured you were complaining that you couldn't win with the pokemon you like so that's what my post was making fun of.

The end!

[Garr123]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

Snorlax+Leftovers+ICantRemember dominated so many pokemon when I used to play that online pokemon arena thing.

I would agree, except that something like snaking doesn't belong on that list. While many different tricks/glitches/exploits CAN be countered in several ways effectively, leading to a fun and challenging competition, the only way to overcome someone who snakes is to snake yourself. And that's when Mario Kart: DS becomes Snakemaster 5000.

MvC becomes Infinity 900
SFA3 becomes VCMaster JumpTick Derby
Age of Kings becomes The Feudal Rush Invitational
Gears of War becomes Shotgun Rollout Melee Nadetag Bonanza*

Just sayin', if you're going to be competitive in a game you're gunna have to learn to abuse it's glitches/flaws.

*Epic just released a patch that changes the entire game online, so no longer applicable

[Patryn]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

My view is that I don't really play games online to be competitive, I play to have fun. I could care less about being one of the best players online, so I have no problem creating "house rules" for games.

I'd also argue against the whole idea of being repeatedly destroyed by a extremely better player is "good". In those cases you get no time to actually TRY any skills, so you never get any practice, and it's inevitable that you'll get frustrated and quit before you manage to counter any techniques.

I mean, if you're THAT miserable, why are you even playing the game any more? Games are supposed to be fun! If you're not a pro gamer, just move on to something else.

[Garr123]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

Losing constantly is pretty much guaranteed to make you better. Winning constantly however just stagnates your skill.

Actually, losing only makes you better if you have the presence of mind to not get angry about it, and instead try to figure out why the other persons beating you. Then just take your whipping and try to prevent it.

[Caciss]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

Rules in games with your buds or whatever, that's fine.

NO RUSH 20 MIN

Whatever, but the only thing is don't expect random people to play nice!

They shouldn't have to.

[IRC]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

I don't know what crazy world you live in but the only thing losing constantly does is make me not want to play anymore. You have to care about the game way much more than I'm willing to in order to put up with that.

This is pretty much the butter argument though.

[Kire]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

WOW.

I gave Smash Bros. another chance, and now, I hate it more than I did before. Since it's a simple game, the best way to win is to run away until you get a power-up, or just keep away and let them come to you, charging up your big hit. It's a game that punishes anyone who plays aggressively, and those who do are either punished for it and wavedash all over the place.

It's funny a game w/ 2 experienced players against each other...they just wavedashed all over the place and played keep away. It was boring as hell to watch. The techniques I'm mentioning weren't meant to be used this way...they're exploited..."'sploits." Compound this on top of the fact that characters don't have nearly enough moves to keep it interesting, the fact that everyone likes it because of the "we wuv Nintendo" furry factor, and it's really hard for me to accept this game.

I considered practicing playing keep away and wavedashing all over the place, but **** that. A game that rewards cheap ass tactics isn't a good game. It reminds me of the first Killer Instinct...when 2 experienced players went against each other, and it said FIGHT, they'd both go into a ducking blocking position immediately. Do you know why? Because the aggressor was always PUNISHED. It was much more profitable to "turtle."

You see, good games like Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat 2, Fight Night Rd. 3 (despite some character imbalances), Virtua Fighter, Tekken...there is an even give and take between being aggressive and counter fighting. Hell, if someone even takes Eddy Gordo, you have a chance because despite having button mashing combos, there's lots of openings he has to capatalize on and kill the guy off.

Seriously, I tried, I treally tried...I LOVE fighting games in general, and I'll try anything, I'll give anything a chance...but the 'sploits in this game make it pretty much worthless in a social setting to me. I'd say I hope they'll fix it in the next one, but hell...Nintendo could take a big crap and the fans will eat it up.

[Garr123]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

What are you talking about?

I was gunna try to find some more videos but my knowledges of good smash players is limited at best, also I'm lazy.

[Alzar]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

I HATE WHEN I PLAY BASKETBALL AND SOMEONE IS TALLER THAN ME

CHEATERS

WTF

I ALSO HATE WHEN I PLAY TENNIS AND PEOPLE HIT BALLS AT ME WITH SPIN

I'M NOT USING SPIN BACK AT THEM!!

IT'S TOTALLY AN EXPLOIT

I ALSO DONT LIKE MEXICANS

[Kire]

Re: Snaking and wavedashing: cheating?

Garr, that vid only proved my point. Thanks!

Alzar, almost all games have minor 'sploits, but when it becomes a part of the game, then the designers have failed.