Jury Duty (Success! Read #18)

[JLaCroix]

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Its strange that they would pay you such crappy wages when they are wholely dependant on you. It would be complete asshole behavior, but you should use that as leverage, especially if your pay is so lousy you can't go a day without work.

Yeah, I think the going salary for what I do is on average around $45,000 a year, but the last I checked was probably a year ago or more. Needless to say, I don't make anything close to $45,000.

On a sad side, my company is anything but wealthy right now. They are laying off people left and right. (This is in the automotive industry, go figure). In fact, 60 more people will lose their jobs in April while the company restructures. I'm lucky that I don't have to worry, because I'm the only one in my department other than my manager. However everyone else is scared stiff on the edge of their seat.

[JPS]

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Thats a double edged sword though SW, my dad threatened to leave and they gave him a 2 dollar an hour raise, stayed for a year longer then threatened them again and they gave him another 2 dollar raise...2 years later he threatened and they fired him on the spot.

Luckily he had another job lined up in case they did that...but still.

[JLaCroix]

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Thats a double edged sword though SW, my dad threatened to leave and they gave him a 2 dollar an hour raise, stayed for a year longer then threatened them again and they gave him another 2 dollar raise...2 years later he threatened and they fired him on the spot.

Luckily he had another job lined up in case they did that...but still.

I got fired for that once back when I was around 19 or 20. They told me they were going to discuss the raise, the next day I was terminated.

[Stormy]

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Thats a double edged sword though SW, my dad threatened to leave and they gave him a 2 dollar an hour raise, stayed for a year longer then threatened them again and they gave him another 2 dollar raise...2 years later he threatened and they fired him on the spot.

Luckily he had another job lined up in case they did that...but still.

No offense JPS, but your dad was really pushing it. I was proposing a single threat for a single raise.

[JPS]

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Yeah, he was pushing it, but he had another job lined up with better pay each time.

The only reason he wanted to kinda wanted to stay there was because he had worked there for 11 years, so it was "if they fire me oh well"...prior to that he was in the Navy for 20.

[Dusk Raven]

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I tend to side with JLaCrox here (at least, in that debate a while back).

Although, my reasons for not being complelely loyal to the US isn't what it does for us, but what it does to other nations. The war in Iraq, for instance. Why are we there? To bring freedom to the Iraqi people? We could have done that in 1991, in the first Gulf War. Instead, Saddam was kept in power. Complete with US support.

[IRC]

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And I stand by that. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't do it if I could. I believe that if this country was truly free, you wouldn't be forced into something against your will. By my living in a free country, I can feel this way if I want to.

So if I feel differently than you, I'm ridiculous? That's a rather communist statement from someone preaching about our government.

No, if you make a ridiculous statement then you're ridiculous. Of all the things going on today that could be seen as violations of civil liberties you want to go with jury duty? That's where you're going to draw the line in the stand? It's got nothing to do with you thinking differently than me.

I stand by that as well. Again, anyone that thinks that the needs of the government comes before the needs of a persons family is what's "doucebaggy".

But that's not what the issue on hand is. You didn't say anything about place one over the other. I don't think anyone is faulting you for placing your family before the government. The issue is that you said that you had absolutely no obligation to the government while complaining that they are suppressing your
freedom. You obviously want that freedom but are not willing to do anything to get it. You're guy who eats the muffins in the break room but just rattles the change in the honor jar. That's a pretty good definition of a douche bag.

A lot better than yours, hmm, someone who places the needs of the government and our society as a whole over their own. That sounds like some one I know. Maybe all the people who died in wars to preserve the very freedom you feel is being crushed by jury duty. Or maybe I'm just thinking of the ending to Wrath of Kahn. Either way I think it makes a good point.

You are preaching about explaining thought processes, yet you yourself is responsible for the third quote which used nothing but sarcasm. Brilliant.

That wasn't me, that was peachy.

Way to be all IRC about it. I respect each and every statement you made in the post from you I replied to. I don't agree with some of the things you said, but I respect you as a person and I respect your individual views. Why can't you do that for me?

I do respect you. Doesn't mean I can't get into a debate about those views and opinions.

[JLaCroix]

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Although, my reasons for not being complelely loyal to the US isn't what it does for us, but what it does to other nations. The war in Iraq, for instance. Why are we there? To bring freedom to the Iraqi people? We could have done that in 1991, in the first Gulf War. Instead, Saddam was kept in power. Complete with US support.

I'm with you there.

[JLaCroix]

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No, if you make a ridiculous statement then you're ridiculous. Of all the things going on today that could be seen as violations of civil liberties you want to go with jury duty? That's where you're going to draw the line in the stand? It's got nothing to do with you thinking differently than me.



But that's not what the issue on hand is. You didn't say anything about place one over the other. I don't think anyone is faulting you for placing your family before the government. The issue is that you said that you had absolutely no obligation to the government while complaining that they are suppressing your
freedom. You obviously want that freedom but are not willing to do anything to get it. You're guy who eats the muffins in the break room but just rattles the change in the honor jar. That's a pretty good definition of a douche bag.

A lot better than yours, hmm, someone who places the needs of the government and our society as a whole over their own. That sounds like some one I know. Maybe all the people who died in wars to preserve the very freedom you feel is being crushed by jury duty. Or maybe I'm just thinking of the ending to Wrath of Kahn. Either way I think it makes a good point.

That wasn't me, that was peachy.





I do respect you. Doesn't mean I can't get into a debate about those views and opinions.

I just want to know why you can't agree to disagree with me and move on. Regardless of that I never asked for a debate, and I didn't intend to start a debate topic. I think starting a debate on personal views is rude. I can understand a debate if I started a topic about how everyone feels about the death penalty or whether or not cavemen existed, but this is just a bit overboard.

Edit: And another thing, bringing up how things were in the past wasn't cool. I'm trying to get rid of the hardcore debating, I don't really much care for it anymore.

[IRC]

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Because it's such an incredulous thing to say and I trying to give you as many chances as I can for you to take it back and try to clarify it. Which you've all but done already and it would be a totally moot point now, but I still want to see if you'll do it.

[JLaCroix]

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Because it's such an incredulous thing to say and I trying to give you as many chances as I can for you to take it back and try to clarify it. Which you've all but done already and it would be a totally moot point now, but I still want to see if you'll do it.

Have I ever? Please just stop.

[The Toecutter]

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Perhaps the best way to get kicked off a jury pool is to let the authorities know that you understand what jury nullification is. If they still place you on the jury, once a trial has started, attempt to exercise your power of jury nullification. The courts hate that!