Making Copies Of Your Audio CD's To Your Computer May Be illegal.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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David Draiman of the band Disturbed said it best:

"This is not rocket science. Instead of spending all this money litigating against kids who are the people they're trying to sell things to in the first place, they have to learn how to effectively use the Internet. For the artists, my ass... I didn't ask them to protect me, and I don't want their protection."

this is a very good statement and cleanly says exactly what the industry has to do.

even if the industry gains "black market" information they cannot administer it in court and anything found based on it would also be non admirable in court since the original "warrant granter (right term?)" would be bunk.

money isnt what the industry is about, its about greed. plain and simple greed. look at how little the artists actually gets vs the cost of the actual album. i understand production value and people needing to be paid at each step but honestly, does the industry deserve the huge chunk they get? out of 20 bucks how much does the artist actual receive? 50 cents? 20 cents?

i have an extreme problem with abusing the legal system through sueing or using it as a tool for publicity. rather then waste all this time and effort on a lost cause that will only alienate their customers, they need to work on the kinds of innovation the music artists themselves have had to employ to stay "hip." music itself has become innovative so why hasnt the distribution of music changed as well? i mean not the difference between tapes and cds, but i mean a change from data to some new innovative media. data is easily compromised, we need move to something new and innovate (stream music, new type of disk that isnt computer playable, or something completely new an innovate).

edit: trent always has my respect, and this speech reminded me of why he has it. he is one of the artists that i support (if only i could snag some damn concert tickets).

[JLaCroix]

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i understand production value and people needing to be paid at each step but honestly, does the industry deserve the huge chunk they get? out of 20 bucks how much does the artist actual receive? 50 cents? 20 cents?

Actually, sometimes nothing. I've heard some artists complain that their profits go into a "pipeline" that is held for a while and will eventually be released. Those artists that complained hadn't seen any money yet and make their money touring.

i have an extreme problem with abusing the legal system through sueing or using it as a tool for publicity. rather then waste all this time and effort on a lost cause that will only alienate their customers, they need to work on the kinds of innovation the music artists themselves have had to employ to stay "hip." music itself has become innovative so why hasnt the distribution of music changed as well? i mean not the difference between tapes and cds, but i mean a change from data to some new innovative media. data is easily compromised, we need move to something new and innovate (stream music, new type of disk that isnt computer playable, or something completely new an innovate).

To be honest, there is no form of media they can make that some sort of hacker won't compromise. If its a disk that is not shaped like anything else, a hacker somewhere will build something to rip songs and share them.

Honestly though, that's the last thing they need in my opinion, more control. If they did make a proprietary media format, it would make fair use even harder.

It's hard to explain what I mean, so take this example. Say I sold you a car and you later found out you aren't allowed to drive it on the expressway. I invested millions of dollars coming up with a technology to make the car sense when you are about to get on an expressway an automatically shut off. Then, being the smart person you are, you take it to a master mechanic to get the stipulation removed so you can then drive anywhere.

With that scenario, I wasted millions of dollars to prevent you from using your purchased product however you'd like, and my putting that stipulation on your car didn't do you or me any good.

In the case of proprietary formats, it would just make it harder for consumers (they'd have to buy a new player) and the consumers couldn't use the media on their MP3 players, which they should be able to. The consumer isn't hurting anyone by ripping his cd to his ipod to listen to while he jogs in the park.

I think that if the RIAA realized that 20% of its music is garbage, they'd account for 20% of their losses right there.

[Dusk Raven]

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Actually, sometimes nothing. I've heard some artists complain that their profits go into a "pipeline" that is held for a while and will eventually be released. Those artists that complained hadn't seen any money yet and make their money touring.

I actually heard that Franz Ferdinand said people could pirate his music because he was getting so little profit.

[The_Real_Crunk]

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I think that if the RIAA realized that 20% of its music is garbage, they'd account for 20% of their losses right there.

Its just like the big writers strike. Just up that to around %60.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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To be honest, there is no form of media they can make that some sort of hacker won't compromise. If its a disk that is not shaped like anything else, a hacker somewhere will build something to rip songs and share them.

Honestly though, that's the last thing they need in my opinion, more control. If they did make a proprietary media format, it would make fair use even harder.

It's hard to explain what I mean, so take this example. Say I sold you a car and you later found out you aren't allowed to drive it on the expressway. I invested millions of dollars coming up with a technology to make the car sense when you are about to get on an expressway an automatically shut off. Then, being the smart person you are, you take it to a master mechanic to get the stipulation removed so you can then drive anywhere.

With that scenario, I wasted millions of dollars to prevent you from using your purchased product however you'd like, and my putting that stipulation on your car didn't do you or me any good.

In the case of proprietary formats, it would just make it harder for consumers (they'd have to buy a new player) and the consumers couldn't use the media on their MP3 players, which they should be able to. The consumer isn't hurting anyone by ripping his cd to his ipod to listen to while he jogs in the park.

I think that if the RIAA realized that 20% of its music is garbage, they'd account for 20% of their losses right there.

i was thinking more of making media harder to steal by limiting the number of people able to partake in stealing it and adding to the problem (everyone has a cd and a riper program and all they have to do is dl a free share site and they add to the problem).

the loss is actually far greater then the loss of the stipulation that cost millions, they are actually losing the entire car itself. it would be like they putting the stipulation on the car and then you taking the stipulation out then mass distributing the car itself rather then the fix.

there really isnt a winable situation here since so much is depending on current media styles. even if the music industry decides to go with a new media choice that isnt a huge stretch (stream lets say) then of course other mp3 players would parish but that is marketing, new media to compensate would be made - or already exists (internet use to get the streamed content).

creativity can save the day here. products fading out is a fact of business, its nothing new. we saw vhs fade to dvd and we could certainly see mp3 players fade to the next media player system just as walkmans became obsolete to cd players and how they in turn faded when mp3 players became the next fad.

edit: the people who are responsible for creating music, writings, original works of artistry deserve to have a large chunk of the pie. if there isnt "room" to give them more then its time to cut out players who are impeding this from happening - that is the power of business, to cut away waste or find a new way to market more efficiently. the music industry must parish and perhaps the band manager could arrange concerts or music printing and media, rent a studio to produce, etc. bank roll it and your set.

[JLaCroix]

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i was thinking more of making media harder to steal by limiting the number of people able to partake in stealing it and adding to the problem (everyone has a cd and a riper program and all they have to do is dl a free share site and they add to the problem).

the loss is actually far greater then the loss of the stipulation that cost millions, they are actually losing the entire car itself. it would be like they putting the stipulation on the car and then you taking the stipulation out then mass distributing the car itself rather then the fix.

there really isnt a winable situation here since so much is depending on current media styles. even if the music industry decides to go with a new media choice that isnt a huge stretch (stream lets say) then of course other mp3 players would parish but that is marketing, new media to compensate would be made - or already exists (internet use to get the streamed content).

creativity can save the day here. products fading out is a fact of business, its nothing new. we saw vhs fade to dvd and we could certainly see mp3 players fade to the next media player system just as walkmans became obsolete to cd players and how they in turn faded when mp3 players became the next fad.

edit: the people who are responsible for creating music, writings, original works of artistry deserve to have a large chunk of the pie. if there isnt "room" to give them more then its time to cut out players who are impeding this from happening - that is the power of business, to cut away waste or find a new way to market more efficiently. the music industry must parish and perhaps the band manager could arrange concerts or music printing and media, rent a studio to produce, etc. bank roll it and your set.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think a new format would go over well. Reason being, people want to create playlists of their music on their computers and sync to their portable device. That's what everyone's getting used to. Sure they can create a new format, and people may use it, however a new format must contain everything that made its predecesser good and improve on it. So, in order for people to like it, it has to have ripping capabilities for the purpose of syncing to a portable device.

CD's replaced cassette's because the sound quality was not only better, but it allowed people to easily get to their favorite song, without having to rewind or fast forward constantly. DVD's replaced VHS because the picture and sound quality was better, and they allowed you to quickly get to your favorite scene. (It's also harder for a DVD player to "eat" a DVD like they did with VHS, but I won't even go there).

MP3's and digital music are replacing CD's (I'm REALLY going to miss traditional audio CD's when they're extinct, it's already happening) because it's easier to get to your favorite artist, song, and you can create playlists for any occasion. Having a multimedia archive on your computer from your CD collection and syncing all of that to a portable device is very convienent, so whatever this new format is, it would have to incorporate those things. Otherwise, think of a situation where a media format comes out to replace Blueray and HD-DVD, however it no longer has the convienence of scene selection, people wouldn't go for it unless it does everything the predecesser does and then some.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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technology would have to advance a bit in the new direction for it to be accepted. the music industry has enough power to wholesale switch even if its against the general consensuses. people resisted the changes of all mediums even though they where proven greater and better then their former mediums.

again i will say innovation is the key here. you can take new technologies and apply all the greatness of the past but have it rearranged and different; all there but in a new way. ripping would have to go, there is simply no way to allow ripping that wouldnt be abused for theft since its so easy. with stream there wouldnt be a physical data to steal since it would entirely be accessed instantly, which would also there for eliminate the prime purpose of a back up to begin with (i can already see a lot of problems but im just proposing the line of thought rather then the medium suggestion itself).

some artists have tried the free downloads and i believe i saw a statistic that said over half (60% seams to stick in my mind) pay nothing for the album when given a choice, while the remaining % paid anything from 1 cent to 5 bucks for the album. maybe this is a viable option as well but i believe it needs far more research.

a total overhaul is needed. the current mentality will not allow their habits to change unless the demands of the public are at least addressed to some degree to make it tolerable.

there will always be people who will cheat, but the goal is to either reduce the easiness of theft or eliminate the damage done by music theft. when people have a direct effect on the music industry (no new albums because no one wanted to pay) i think they we will come around to see that if we want music from artists then we will have to give them the credit they deserve.

[JLaCroix]

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technology would have to advance a bit in the new direction for it to be accepted. the music industry has enough power to wholesale switch even if its against the general consensuses. people resisted the changes of all mediums even though they where proven greater and better then their former mediums.

again i will say innovation is the key here. you can take new technologies and apply all the greatness of the past but have it rearranged and different; all there but in a new way. ripping would have to go, there is simply no way to allow ripping that wouldnt be abused for theft since its so easy. with stream there wouldnt be a physical data to steal since it would entirely be accessed instantly, which would also there for eliminate the prime purpose of a back up to begin with (i can already see a lot of problems but im just proposing the line of thought rather then the medium suggestion itself).

some artists have tried the free downloads and i believe i saw a statistic that said over half (60% seams to stick in my mind) pay nothing for the album when given a choice, while the remaining % paid anything from 1 cent to 5 bucks for the album. maybe this is a viable option as well but i believe it needs far more research.

a total overhaul is needed. the current mentality will not allow their habits to change unless the demands of the public are at least addressed to some degree to make it tolerable.

there will always be people who will cheat, but the goal is to either reduce the easiness of theft or eliminate the damage done by music theft. when people have a direct effect on the music industry (no new albums because no one wanted to pay) i think they we will come around to see that if we want music from artists then we will have to give them the credit they deserve.

I see what you're saying. However, streams are one of the easiest thing to hack, and stream downloader apps are very popular and would be even more so if that was the case.

[Caciss]

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I'm seriously laughing so hard at this topic. multiple massive like 8 paragraph posts about **** that's already been talked about to death.

[JPS]

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I have a second comp that isnt hooked up to the internetz, ill just put all my songs on there

[lil_das]

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[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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I'm seriously laughing so hard at this topic. multiple massive like 8 paragraph posts about **** that's already been talked about to death.

most topics have been talked to death. you cant necro post so a new discussion works out just fine.

internet rules are in play here:
11. All your carefully picked arguments can be easily ignored.

21. Original content is only original for a few seconds before becoming old.

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[JPS]

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1.Only Karr has the ability to read the internet rules.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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1.Only Karr has the ability to read the internet rules.

i just proved the repost rule. go me.


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