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    Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

    Shining Tears came out last Wednesday, and I feel pretty sure I'm the only one who picked it up. Let me know if I'm wrong, though.

    I'm a couple hours into it, and here are my first impressions of the latest Shining series game.

    First off, the game can be played in either one or two player mode. I haven't found anybody to play a 2-player game with yet, but I imagine the battles are a lot less hectic and easier when you're only controlling one person.

    The dual-player action for 1-player games is a really great idea; like Mario & Luigi, you have the ability to control both characters at once. Unfortunately, the battles tend to be huge, and trying to figure out what both characters are supposed to be doing and where they're going is nearly impossible to do well with just two hands and one controller.

    The L buttons control the main character, and the R buttons control the secondary character. The L3 knob moves the main, the R3 knob moves the secondary, but you can't move the secondary character and attack with the main character without some really wicked flexibility for your fingers. I find it's difficult and frustrating when you're trying to position the characters for special attacks. The secondary character will move on his or her own, but you usually don't want them to act on their own. Kingdom Hearts syndrome sets in and they do off the wall things that make you want to hurt them.

    I like the story so far, and it seems to be well written and translated, though it's pretty average Shining fare. Main character (Xion) has lost his memory and has two special rings. One light, and one dark. He wears one, and the secondary character wears the other, and depending on who you're with and what ring you're wearing, your clothes and looks will shift, giving you a little bit of control over how the main character looks.

    You can only save one file for this game per memory card. They won't allow you to copy the file, or create new ones on the same memory card, and you can't copy between memory cards, or so they say. I think it's supposed to cut down on going back to reverse certain decisions you make, because it says the decisions you make have an effect on the overall story. Multiple endings? I dunno, but it's possible the way they talk about it in the manual.

    Instead of going with CG graphics for cutscenes, they do similar to Fire Emblem or Disgaea, with anime-esque cardboard cutout figures talking. For some reason, I really like this style now. The expressions and things change as the dialogue moves, so it does invoke interest in the plot to see their reactions. The opening movie also hints at there being real cutscenes with fluid anime-style movies, similar to the way Xenogears did their movies.

    The menu system is streamlined, and works out rather well, as it shifts from the old style of Shining menu systems slightly.

    Anything else... can't think of anything in particular. The sounds are your average fair, not spectacular, but they do fit well and they don't make me want to tear my ears out, like FFX-2. No voices from what I can tell. Just as well, this game would suffer terribly from bad voice-acting if it tried.

    All in all, the game is fun, the story is intriguing, the locales and characters are well-drawn and interesting, as well as unique in a world where characters are always typcast by their classes throughout. The battle-system is designed to work as both 1 and 2 player, but I can't help but feel it would be a lot more fun with a second person helping me out, rather than trying to control both at once.

    I, so far, give this game a 7.5 out of 10. I believe it would get closer to a 9 if I could test out the 2-player aspect, but alas, I cannot. No friends who like videogames is a real downer.

    Don't know why I'm posting this, most of you probably had or have no intention of checking this one out at all, anyways. If you even knew about it. I'm just a sucker for Shining stuff.
    "Mindless killing doesn't do a lot for me anymore." - Sampson

    #2
    Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

    I'm a big fan of the shining series

    So this is like an anime kingdom hearts mixed with Shining Force?

    Is it on the GBA or what?

    I never heard of this coming..

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      #3
      Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

      Shining Soul is on the GBA, which is soley a 1 player fare if i remember correctly.

      Shining Tears is on the PS2, came out Wednesday, is very fun to play, and i just unlocked the 2player mode yesterday, and the mirror world(lets you replay missions you have beat).

      Its just really fun, and while it got a low score with most reviewers, i really am enjoying the game, and want to play it some more right now, but will probably put more time into Timesplitters, GoW, or WoW first.
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        #4
        Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

        It didn't get a lot of publicity, in fact, they only got 8 copies at the Gamestop I picked it up from, and I got there 10 minutes to closing, and I was the only preorder, and the only person to buy it on opening day at that particular store. So yeah.

        Anyways, it's not like Kingdom Hearts in that you get to control your second character, rather than just being able to give it basic commands to follow. You can play the game only using the main character, and letting the secondary do what they want, but it'll be so much harder not being able to control what they do. The AI of the secondary characters is fairly intelligent, but they use all their special attacks and magic power early on, and never hesitate to use items. So it becomes like Kingdom Hearts in that regard that it's hard to control what they do. At least Kingdom Hearts allowed you to pick and choose how their AI acted on an individual skill basis.

        It's for Playstation 2, but the battles more closely resemble Shining Soul 1 and 2 for GBA. The cutscenes most closely resemble Disgaea in graphics and Xenogears (and other anime-styled games) in their actual movie cutscenes. It's a really strange hybrid of strategy and action that would just work so much better with a second person at the helm, rather than controlling both at once.

        EDIT: Jeroak, I should have known you'd get it.

        And I thought that Shining Soul I and II had four-player ability, if you could find enough friends and systems who wanted to play? I don't know, as I have no real-life friends who like RPG's anymore.
        Last edited by Big Rick Cook; 03-27-2005, 03:17 PM.
        "Mindless killing doesn't do a lot for me anymore." - Sampson

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          #5
          Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

          Hm..I'd heard that a new-gen shining game was coming but I thought it was going to be a strat-rpg.

          Oh well, looks I'm still stuck with Kartia, Vandal Hearts, Saiyuki, FFT and FFTA for a while. Hm...FFTA sounds pretty fun.
          Last edited by Azure-Neko; 03-27-2005, 03:17 PM.

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            #6
            Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

            Shining Force Neo is coming out later this year, but it's not going to be a strategy RPG, either.

            2006 is supposed to be the release date of the next new actual Shining Force game, for PS2. I also recall Jeroak saying something about he was positive that Shining Force III was getting re-released and translated for a U.S. release within a couple years, but he didn't go into details. Would you care to now, Jeroak?
            "Mindless killing doesn't do a lot for me anymore." - Sampson

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              #7
              Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

              ShiningForce Neo is coming out this year, but it dont think it is as much of a strat-rpg as the original shining force games were.

              I'm definitely picking it up though, dont care, as long as it has "Shining Force" in the name, i will buy it.

              Even if it was "Shining Force: The crappiest game ever made". I would still buy it.
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                #8
                Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                I'm the same. I'm still collecting all the older ones, too.
                "Mindless killing doesn't do a lot for me anymore." - Sampson

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                  #9
                  Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                  Woah woah woah.

                  You mean they're even releasing the Japan-only episodes?

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                    #10
                    Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                    huh? I dont think so, although if i could get a Sega Saturn and Shining Force 3 for less than $100, i'd be on it in a second.
                    Vita, 3DS, PSP, PS3, PC, WiiU, Wii & 360
                    Intel Core i5, Radeon HD 5870, 8gig ram
                    Anticipating: Warriors Lair, Dragon Crown, Ratchet, Xillia, Rune Factory 4, and more!
                    3DS Friend Code: 5026-4776-9901
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                      #11
                      Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                      Damn.


                      But yeah, I'd give $150.00.

                      I'd give $150.00 for suikoden II also

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                        #12
                        Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                        <-- has Suikoden II
                        Vita, 3DS, PSP, PS3, PC, WiiU, Wii & 360
                        Intel Core i5, Radeon HD 5870, 8gig ram
                        Anticipating: Warriors Lair, Dragon Crown, Ratchet, Xillia, Rune Factory 4, and more!
                        3DS Friend Code: 5026-4776-9901
                        Steam ID: LionFranco - - - FFXIV: Jeroak Nelave

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                          #13
                          Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                          I envy you, lucky bastard

                          Oh yeah? Well I have BoF I/III/IV/the crappy one

                          ....

                          I have nothing..

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                            #14
                            Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                            I have owned every single BoF game, but only have IV and V now, i dont usually keep the BoF games after i have beat them, since most have no real replay value. V might be different, since i think it has multiple endings, but i have to finish 4 first.
                            Vita, 3DS, PSP, PS3, PC, WiiU, Wii & 360
                            Intel Core i5, Radeon HD 5870, 8gig ram
                            Anticipating: Warriors Lair, Dragon Crown, Ratchet, Xillia, Rune Factory 4, and more!
                            3DS Friend Code: 5026-4776-9901
                            Steam ID: LionFranco - - - FFXIV: Jeroak Nelave

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                              #15
                              Re: Shining Tears. Am I the only one?

                              If you want a game that's one of the most epic, greatest experiences of all time the first playthrough, and that's completely worthless the second time, pick up Wild Arms I.

                              I really wish I could go back in time just to experience it for the first time again

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