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Old 08-20-2017, 04:43 AM   #3261
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Breathless is more pointless and empty than Michael Bay could ever dream of achieving. It's so drawn out and high on its own importance that watching it is just plain painful. I really might prefer to watch The Pacifier again before this one, even though it is just Suburban Commando with a far crappier script.
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I saw Blade Runner 2049 during the weekend. It was good overall, but fell far short of the original in terms of depth. Jared Leto's blind Cyborg-techno-Jesus was delightfully creepy and babbles pseudo-intellectual nonsense while behaving more like a replicant is expected to behave than an actual replicant. The movie leaves a lot more questions than answers, probably deliberately, in order to force a sequel that hopefully at minimum meets the standard of "not poop" as this sequel to the original managed to do.

For those who don't care about spoilers, here's some highlights:

*** SPOILERS ***
-1 extra douchebaggy, super-creepy, Cyber-techno-Jesus, played by Jared Leto
-Hologram sex!
-You get to see a nearly-dead Earth
-Major locations visited include rural California, Los Angeles, San Diego, and Las Vegas
-People subsist almost exclusively on GMO worms farmed for protein and GMO processed food
-The entire meaning of the film changes based on what your opinion is on Deckard's status as a human or a replicant

*** END SPOILERS ***


Sadly, there was no facehugger cuteness present, but that's forgivable.
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:45 AM   #3263
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I don't think Blade Runner is that great of a movie. It nails the atmosphere and the visuals, but it's pretty boring, and the philosophy isn't as smart as people make it out to be.

I think 2049 is a better film, but still wasn't all that great.
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Inclined to agree about the first one. It’s not horribly overrated, but it is overrated. It had some good writing, but it’s an adapted work so go much credit can they even take for that?
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Most people conflate Blade Runner's greatness with its influence. It's a good movie, I'd even call it a great movie in some respects, but its main claim is that has been influential in genre filmmaking just as much as the Star Wars movies were influential.
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I looooooooooooved Blade Runner 2049.

So astoundingly beautiful.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:05 PM   #3267
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I don't think Blade Runner is that great of a movie. It nails the atmosphere and the visuals, but it's pretty boring, and the philosophy isn't as smart as people make it out to be.
It's not the philosophy that drew me to the film, but the attention to detail and effort placed with regard to making the film's world seem believable. In regard to this quality, few movies match it to this day. Its atmosphere and visuals are actual substance, and not just flash. Like George Miller's Mad Max films, every character and object has a backstory, most of which go untold in explicit terms during the course of the film but are consistent with every last detail in the written screenplay as well as what happens on screen.

I can't say for sure or not whether 2049 had that level of detail because I haven't done enough research on it, but what I've seen wasn't disappointing.

The philosophy of the 1st film was universal and can be found in a lot of fiction. Now if it touched upon the more esoteric and erratic qualities of Philip K. Dick's work(Mercerism, mood organs, J.F. Isodore's hallucinations, ect) instead of butchering the story and character roster, I'd have a lot more respect for the film's philosophical themes, but the films never came close to the book in that area.
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I'm not familiar with the source material, so I can't comment on that, but I think Blade Runner fails as an actual movie. It has more value as a series of images, like a music video or something. I really enjoy the subtle subversion of the Japanese influence on future America, for example. But the acting, the plot (or lack thereof), the non-existent romance that is actually the center of the story..none of it really works. Even stuff people praise, like the Tears in Rain speech -- I just don't get the draw. It's not really engaging or entertaining in any way for me.

In terms of early 80s dystopian science fiction, I'd put Escape From New York ahead of it. Like BR, it's more of a atmosphere film. It's much less pretty, but more entertaining.

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I'm not familiar with the source material, so I can't comment on that, but I think Blade Runner fails as an actual movie. It has more value as a series of images, like a music video or something. I really enjoy the subtle subversion of the Japanese influence on future America, for example. But the acting, the plot (or lack thereof), the non-existent romance that is actually the center of the story..none of it really works. Even stuff people praise, like the Tears in Rain speech -- I just don't get the draw. It's not really engaging or entertaining in any way for me.

In terms of early 80s dystopian science fiction, I'd put Escape From New York ahead of it. Like BR, it's more of a atmosphere film. It's much less pretty, but more entertaining.
Agreed. Escape was definitely a more entertaining movie. Though it sounds like Blade Runner has the better sequel.

I forgot about the mood organs, Toe. Although they would have been hard to do onscreen without potentially being hokey. Like his admittedly goofy story titles, a lot of Dick’s stuff was hard to directly port over without some monkeying.
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I've been watching Stephen King films for the month.

So far I watched:

Salem's Lot: Very good. Genuinely scary at parts, especially the dead boy floating by window (didn't realize that trope came from this series). Stayed hooked for the full 3 hours.

The Dead Zone: I didn't love it, but I did enjoy it a bit. Christopher Walken does a great job with the role. Didn't really like the way this one ends. Feels kind of hokey.


Coming up next will probably be, in no particular order, Carrie, Children of the Corn, and Christine. The 3 C's.
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the plot (or lack thereof)
All of your points are relevant to the film for sure, but the source material was something totally different. The plot, OTOH, is actually intricate in this film as far as films go. It unfolds sort of like a generic mystery novel, and doesn't leave a whole lot of loose ends.
I'd recommend enabling subtitles if you didn't take in all of the dialogue upon previous viewings, because in spite of the synthetic music overpowering the words spoken by the characters, the words are in fact there and a lot is said that further reveals what the characters are doing as well as the grim world that this film is set in.

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Escape From New York was a great film as well. Kojima was inspired by it for a lot of good reasons.

The 1980s saw the emergence of a lot of dystopian and post-apocalyptic science fiction films. Some of the most creative and interesting of them are also some of the worst movies ever made.
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I never liked the original Blade Runner either, and I actually read DADOES and didn't find it really all that great either. MAYBE JUST NOT FOR ME.
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I never liked the original Blade Runner either, and I actually read DADOES and didn't find it really all that great either. MAYBE JUST NOT FOR ME.
I...kinda feel like you should still go see 2049.
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It'll have to wait until it becomes available to stream.
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It'll have to wait until it becomes available to stream.
I'm not 100 percent positive, but I think the drawing factor for Blade Runner is the cinematography and sound design. Might not have quite the same effect as in the cinema
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I'm not 100 percent positive, but I think the drawing factor for Blade Runner is the cinematography and sound design. Might not have quite the same effect as in the cinema
Yep definitely. The theater is recommended unless you have a really sweet home setup.
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I, for one, didn't really care too much for Blade Runner but there are definitely some movies that has an experience that can't be felt out of the theater. I remember when I was little I went to see Jurassic Park. There has yet to be a movie that had the same impact for me, on the big screen. As I saw the rippling of the water, I could feel the footsteps of the approaching T-Rex. Sure, different type of movie and all of that but my point is that is probably might be better to see that movie on the big screen. I might give it a shot myself.

Speaking of movies, I went to see the movie "It" a couple of weeks ago. I had been looking forward to this movie and it didn't disappoint. Pennywise is as scary as ever and the movie gets pretty intense. I think this movie came out at probably the best time that it could. Stranger Things gave audiences a certain nostalgia and a crazing for something they didn't even know they had. Not to mention the whole creepy clown fad that has become a thing again. But yeah, "It" was a solid fun and terrifying romp. I will definitely get the movie when it is released on Blu-Ray.
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I'm not trying to be an ass but oh well lol.
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I'm not trying to be an ass but oh well lol.
I know you weren't, my man. I was just letting you know that I heard from a few people that this might be one of those movies best seen on the big boy

Good example of this: I heard from everyone to see AVATAR in 3D, but I still didn't trust it at that point. Saw it in theaters, but standard. Regret that decision still to this day
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The entire appeal of Blade Runner is the aesthetics: its the definition of a film you can watch with the sound off. It's absolutely gorgeous even 40 years on and, in my opinion, there aren't many films that are still a wonder to look at after so much time has passed. Off the top of my head: Barry Lyndon, The Duellists, and maybe Days of Heaven. None of those are special effects heavy science fiction films and their appearance is achieved through old fashioned camera techniques (or a bat**** shooting schedule with Days of Heaven.) It also defined the cultural hodgepodge and visual appearance of cyberpunk in a lot of ways.

I can't think of anyone who loves Blade Runner for its story. It's wafer-thin noir with sprinkling of existentialism.


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