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Old 08-09-2017, 09:12 AM   #3241
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Exactly. I don't go to those movies expecting anything innovative or thought provoking. I expect to be entertained by fun dialog and good action sequences. When I want thought provoking, I'll go find an indy movie or one of the weirder animes. Or I'll read an essay/book.
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I am enough of an anti-intellectualist that I will go so far as to say this: I like the first Transformers more than 2001: A Space Odyssey. Now, I am still glad 2001 exists. It was a major influence for many movies that are entertaining. But it literally put me to sleep the first time I watched it, I can count the number of movies to do that on a shop teacher's hand (so it is in such 'illustrious' company as Ocean's Twelve). Do I want an overlong acid trip with no plot and a grand total of one real character (who is a killer computer; none of the humans are fleshed out at all, which I realize is the point but does make it more of a slog to listen to them)? Or to watch giant robots blow each other up and break buildings with some hit or miss one-liners, gratuitous Megan Fox car-leaning and John Turturro. Easy choice.
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I am enough of an anti-intellectualist that I will go so far as to say this: I like the first Transformers more than 2001: A Space Odyssey. Now, I am still glad 2001 exists. It was a major influence for many movies that are entertaining. But it literally put me to sleep the first time I watched it, I can count the number of movies to do that on a shop teacher's hand (so it is in such 'illustrious' company as Ocean's Twelve). Do I want an overlong acid trip with no plot and a grand total of one real character (who is a killer computer; none of the humans are fleshed out at all, which Ibrelize is the point but does make it more of a slog to listen to them)? Or to watch giant robots blow each other up and break buildings with some hit or miss one-liners, gratuitous Megan Fox car-leaning and John Turturro. Easy choice.
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Must have just watched 2001 then. Or Breathless. Truffaut sucks away my will to live, he's so boring.
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I like sci fi, but 2001 was a bore to me. I'm heavily into the doom porn though. Soylent Green was awesome, and unfortunately, will probably turn out prophetic in the future...
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And one of your favorites, Mad Max Fury Road. Definitely way better than 2001. Also better than Transformers for that matter. Hardy is a poor substitute for Mel, but Theron and Hoult save his bacon and a movie-long car chase somehow never gets tiresome in the least.
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For a world with such scarce resources as depicted in Fury Road, the cars didn't make a whole lot of sense. It is evident that George Miller really took his time with every little painstaking detail(every character, vehicle and object has a backstory in this film), but he was certainly not a man of science.

The first Mad Max was definitely the most realistic. I cherish it for that quality. Here's an example of what I'm talking about(look at the speedometer at 1:21: that's not CGI folks):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovhw-E9gRfU

After Bryon Kennedy's death, the series lost a lot of what made it special. It also seemed diverge from continuity for the two films after his death requiring ad hock solutions to explain inconsistencies(such as the Fury Road comic), but it didn't screw up nearly as bad as the Highlander franchise did...

I rank the Mad Max films in the following order:

1) Mad Max
2) The Road Warrior
3) Mad Max: Fury Road
4) Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome

All of them were excellent films except for the last listing. Thunderdome had Max totally out of character. Mel Gibson was even depressed over the role and it is what helped drive him away from the series.
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Space Odyssey is a boring film and pretty highly overrated, but the transformers movies are some of the worst films ever made. No redeeming qualities.
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More hard-hitting opinions: the great forgotten auteur is Verhoeven. As evidenced by the complete failure of repeated attempts to remake his movies. His blend of action and biting satire was spot-on, and whether it was politician propaganda in Starship Troopers or consumerism in Robocop (or just mindhumps within mindhumps in Total Recall), it was always entertaining. As for Showgirls, well, we forgave Spielberg for War of the Worlds and Aronofsky for Noah.

First Mad Max was dull. Predictable and sparse. Road Warrior was great, no doubt. Thunderdome was weak overall, but you have to love the dome itself. That fight scene nearly saved the whole thing.
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What is up with the recent love for Starship Troopers? That movie was always great in an intentionally cheesy way.
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I think it might have to do something with a newer audience being introduced to it (aka young ****s). Not sure, but awesome things continue to be awesome.

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Hahaha! I hate to inform you but Transformers movies don't even qualify. There are so many movies that are much worse that it isn't even funny. No seriously... it makes me die a little inside...
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Hahaha! I hate to inform you but Transformers movies don't even qualify. There are so many movies that are much worse that it isn't even funny. No seriously... it makes me die a little inside...
There are movies so much better than that done on a shoestring budget that still end up of low quality, but nonetheless are more entertaining. I once had a copy of the indie film "Freedom Deep" as an example of what I am talking about. Please, watch it. It's one of the more disturbing post apocalyptic films I've seen, and is far from being a great movie, but it is certainly unique. It was as if my brain got sucked on by an inexpensive back-alley strumpet picked up on Leopard St at 2AM.

Last year I finally got around to watching Turbo Kid as well. If you like cheesy post apocalyptic flicks in the vein of Six String Samurai, do yourself a service and watch this.
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Just to clarify, I'm not saying the Transformers movies are good. They are... quite bad. I liked the first movie okay, but it was just dumb fun, More emphasis on the "dumb" part but I liked it. The others were just god-awful period. Well, at least 2 and 3 were. I learned my lesson after 3 and decided not to watch another movie of that franchise again. I was just pointing out that even then they aren't the absolute worst movies by a long shot. Simply because I have an uncle that intentionally collected the worst (professional) movies ever made. Watching a couple of them made me die inside. I must have repressed the names of them because I can't remember them.
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What is up with the recent love for Starship Troopers? That movie was always great in an intentionally cheesy way.
Nothing recent about it for me. Been a fan since seeing it in the theater. The book is better, but really the two are so different as to make comparison moot. Verhoeven always knew how to deliver top drawer action with a side order that the average movie patron did not expect. Troopers was perhaps his last great example of that.

Toe, I always get the feeling that if the apocalypse does not occur in your lifetime you are going to be monumentally disappointed. It definitely defines most aspects of your personality.

Never saw the other Transformer movies. Heard they sucked. First one was big dumb fun for sure. As for the true worst movies, bleh. Dragonfly, The Mothman Prophecies, a horrifyingly stupid little indie called Terror Toons. The Pacifier has to get a shoutout. Gigli really was about as bad as advertised. Elektra! Ben Affleck exes definitely getting a lot of representation here. Nothing else comes to mind, but I know there are some other bottom-dwellers out there I am forgetting.
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Toe, I always get the feeling that if the apocalypse does not occur in your lifetime you are going to be monumentally disappointed. It definitely defines most aspects of your personality.
I would not be disappointed, but depending on the circumstances, possibly relieved. But I don't have much cause for optimism either way.

The amount of damage that has already been done to this planet's biosphere calls into question whether or not the biodiversity on Earth will be sufficient to sustain billions of humans for thousands of years into the future. The species homo sapiens had overshot the Earth's carrying capacity on a planet-wide scale during the late 20th century, and the rate of damage being done to this planet's biosphere has been relentlessly accelerating since that overshoot point was reached. Once that overshoot point was reached, humanity was destroying the life carrying capacity of the Earth faster than the planet could replenish it.

Just like yeast in a pitri dish, humans could easily share their inevitable fate.

Fury Road is a film that, for all its faults and comic-book like nature, the actual setting of the film depicting an irradiated Earth ravished by both nuclear war and an altered climate, is a grim and likely possibility for humanity's future if current trends in resource consumption, pollution output, and our species' "leaders" propensity for wasteful wars of choice, are not soon reversed.

If Earth saw an 8 degree C rise in global average temperatures, it would be incapable of sustaining plant life on most, if not all, of its surface land area, never mind the feedback loops that would occur well before that point. This could mean redistributed water vapor concentrations and reduced plant cover/increased desertification on areas that cause our atmosphere to retain more heat, or if enough of Siberia's permafrost were to melt in the meantime, belching out pockets of methane that kill everything in their vicinity, for decades on end, accelerating the warming, there's also the fact that the phytoplankton, the basic construction of the ocean food chain, has lost half of its population since 1950 also reducing the oceans' ability to displace CO2 from the atmosphere, among others...

In Fury Road, the oceans and lakes were depicted as completely gone, never mind the trees(they would go long before the oceans did). For that to happen in the real world, we'd have to boil our oceans away. All of those positive feedback loops that exist, when acting together, have the potential to bring us to that point and well past it, but I don't think people would be able live long on such a world because most of the Earth would have to be over 100 degrees C for that to happen, and most of any surviving life of any sort(let alone resource-needy humans) would be clustered around the poles.

Which does make Fury Road a bit nonsensical, but it's actual setting isn't fully explained, either.

According to physicist Stephen Hawking, these feedback loops could make our planet inhospitable to life altogether, predicting that our species will eventually turn it into a Venus-like hellhole. Not at all implausible of a prediction, either...

In the meantime, without any apocalypse at all, the Earth is becoming more and more populated, and climate change is intensifying in its effects. The film Soyent Green depicted an Earth so starved of resources, incapable of supporting life, that its world's overpopulated masses had living standards that would make one envious of medieval peasants. Humanity could easily end up living in a similar manner before you and I even reach old age if we don't keep not just our numbers in check(humans tend to breed less in societies where the lowest positioned on the socio-economy hierarchy are allowed to thrive, such as most of Europe and Japan, and to a lesser extent, the U.S.), but also our resource consumption, most of which are consumed by less than 1% of the population(the wealthiest among us).

And while global warming is a serious threat, a nuclear war without any global warming at all, has an even greater potential to end life on this Earth. Thanks to former President Barack Hussein Obama and complicit arms-industry-funded Democrat and Republican cohorts in the congress, the United States is going to spend another $1.5 trillion updating the nuclear arsenal over the next 30 years, when any reasonable and level-headed leadership wouldn't keep these weapons at all, given that said leadership should understand the potential consequences of the use of these weapons.

A choice was forced on the American people last year: whether they wanted a mass-murdering war criminal psychopathic power-hungry witch to have her finger over the red button, or a narcissistic personality disordered, money-grubbing, cocaine-addled, womanizing, reality TV star buffoon who makes crooked deals with the Russian mob, to have their finger over the red button instead? Having the latter choice of the two still doesn't inspire confidence that we won't destroy ourselves with a needless war.

For all of its faults, Beyond Thunderdome had a very plausible backstory contained within it, that the first two films never elaborated on to that detail. In The Roadwarrior, it was never specified in the introduction explaining the collapse of civilization that the collapse ended in a nuclear war, but that bit of backstory did lay a foundation for this franchises' universe that was unexplained during the first film, and the explanation of the two "mighty warrior tribes" and their "blaze that engulfed them all", too, was very plausible. A world war, even without nukes, destroys everything where it occurs. Central and southern Europe after WWII took decades to rebuild, and most of everything useful was thoroughly destroyed, and The Roadwarrior wasn't too terrible of a depiction of what society could be like if such a scenario were to be the case world wide and central governments everywhere dissolved. However, the world depicted in Beyond Thunderdome, did show no oceans at Sydney Australia. Nuclear war wouldn't do this. The Earth would have to get hot enough for the oceans to boil away, and having humans running outside around after that point is just silly, but Thunderdome also left the cause of the missing ocean unexplained.
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The John Wick films are among my favorites. Keanu Reeve's acting sucks, but these films made minimal use of it, instead, focusing on the action sequences, which are what make the movie. Some of the best gratuitous over-the-top violence ever.
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No wonder the pav is dying...

You guy are really up in here saying 2001 and Truffaut aren't good?

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