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    Women Are Useless

    So, I was discussing with my buddy the other day about "women in vidyas" and we both reached the conclusion that they are the most garbage and throwaway characters moreso than the minority characters and the specialist casters in RPG's (blue mages, summoners, etc.).

    To put it simply, nearly EVERY female role in a video game either casts them as

    A: The protagonist who's really sassy, badass, and headstrong. They can take on any male, fight demons and aren't afraid of anything.

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    B: The side-kick who's really bashful/spunky/quiet that assists the protagonist and usually (like, 99% of the time) has a crush on him but never ever admits it until the end of the game through some heartfelt dying conversation or after being rescued.

    What's even worse are moeblobs. Take a look at this awful video from an awful game called Ar Tonelico. Marvel in disgust at this creepy OFFICIAL ARTWORK from Phantom Brave. My god, how is this not considered child porn?? Witness this realistic model of Etna, a 1200 year old demon in a 12 year olds body (and check out the realistic panties on that model hubba hubba).

    Females as antagonists are surprisingly more rare and by antagonist I mean they consistently oppose the protagonist from start to finish. You'll notice that any game with a female antagonist will almost always reform before the end of the game (or before dying) or she'll reveal that she was an undercover agent or something/has a crush on the hero and joins the group.

    So yeah, this discussion is about how utterly useless women are in video games. You might as well create a world that's 100% male only because as long as you've got writers that feel every woman must serve only to help the man then there's really no point in their existence besides providing a rack to look at. I can count the number of games with an actual female antagonist on one hand and the number of games with a female costar that's actually STRONGER (mentally and physically) than the hero on two hands.

    I would kill for a Y the Last Man game just so every gamer could be completely baffled that the main character is a bumbling idiot in a world ruled by women. Every gamer's head would collectively explode.
    Last edited by marcus; 06-10-2008, 10:47 PM.

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    Have you never played Metroid?

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      #3
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      I dunno, I really didn't think Jill Valentine was too much like your two examples. But, you DID say 'nearly' every female role.

      Heather in Silent Hill 3 had her moments too. Not many, but yeah.

      To Snarf: I'd think Samus would be in the A group.
      Last edited by Riotsword; 06-10-2008, 10:55 PM.

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        #4
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        I'm pretty sure he was saying games like that are incredibly rare?

        Also, Samus would fall under group A.
        Last edited by Caciss; 06-10-2008, 10:57 PM.

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          He's got a point but it's easier to just say that his idea is kind of stupid and is a marketing ploy. Specificly B. But seeing the target consumer for a game is a male they want to make it appeal to us. And I don't get why it's is title they are useless...

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            A: The protagonist who's really sassy, badass, and headstrong. They can take on any male, fight demons and aren't afraid of anything.
            Hell, name some MALE game characters that don't fall into that category and I'll be impressed.



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              #7
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              Men are just as stereotyped as women.

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                Let's just say 99% of protagonist in video games are cliched.

                But male characters have received a lot more varied roles, I'd say.

                Though most video games are recycled garbage in general.

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                  Originally posted by Riotsword View Post
                  I dunno, I really didn't think Jill Valentine was too much like your two examples. But, you DID say 'nearly' every female role.

                  Heather in Silent Hill 3 had her moments too. Not many, but yeah.

                  To Snarf: I'd think Samus would be in the A group.
                  I did like Jill. I rolled my eyes when she was magically saved by Berry (who just happened to be passing by) but Resident Evil 3 really redeemed her in my eyes. Aya Brea, Celes and Terra are generally my favorite female heroes as they're both tough but emotionally fragile so they come across as "human." They have their ups and downs (I loved loved loved how Terra initially refused to join the group in the World of Ruin because she was devoted to the orphans) but they're better than any of the male counterparts in the game.

                  But back to the point of Resident Evil, they always give the females the best weapons and I just can't figure this out. I mean, Ada drops Leon a friggin rocket launcher. Where'd she get that thing again?

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                    Originally posted by Riotsword View Post

                    To Snarf: I'd think Samus would be in the A group.
                    The only thing that Samus has in common with group A is that she is a badass but isn't that the point of having a protagonist anyway?? I mean jesus, why would you want to play a game where the character you're playing is a clumsy dumbass who sucks? You dont hear people complaining that Master Cheif or Solid Snake is too badass. Give me a break. Samus isn't running around scantly clad throwing out witty quips. She's silent, in full body armor and she gets the job done, plain and simple.

                    Silent Hill 3 is ok, the chicks in the Resident Evil series are ok. Any RPG that has character classes that allow you to create your own character are ok. Maybe your just playing typical ****ty games that were designed by horny men who want to see tits and ass and who play up the whole wonder***** scenario. It's not the "women" in the games that are terrible, it's the under-sexed, mommy issued men who make the games that are terrible.

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                      How does that not make the women characters terrible?

                      It just makes the fictional women and the lame creators terrible.
                      Last edited by Caciss; 06-10-2008, 11:06 PM.

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                        #12
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                        None of the females in Soul Calibur are usless! If ya know what I mean.
                        Screenshot Let's Plays

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                          #13
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                          SHHHH... I am making a point, damnit!

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                            The only thing that Samus has in common with group A is that she is a badass but isn't that the point of having a protagonist anyway?? I mean jesus, why would you want to play a game where the character you're playing is a clumsy dumbass who sucks? You dont hear people complaining that Master Cheif or Solid Snake is too badass. Give me a break. Samus isn't running around scantly clad throwing out witty quips. She's silent, in full body armor and she gets the job done, plain and simple.
                            To me, Samus is just a suit. You only see her face through reflections or if you beat the game super fast so as far as I'm concerned the woman inside the suit doesn't matter. Metroid Prime 3 tried to rectify this but too little too late.

                            And yeah, there's a general limit to "badassitude" (my word don't steal) that one man can handle before it turns into the realm of CORN. Halo was a game with a story that was supposed to be taken seriously but you've got this faceless jerk that spits out oneliners and rides nuclear bombs through the atmosphere and all I can do is roll my eyes.

                            Snake is a badass, yes, but he actually carries some emotional baggage as a soldier that's constantly abused by his superiors. He's hard and tough but OH MY GOD HE FEELS! When you prick him, he bleeds! What is this strange thing called character development doing in my games????

                            Maybe your just playing typical ****ty games that were designed by horny men who want to see tits and ass and who play up the whole wonder***** scenario. It's not the "women" in the games that are terrible, it's the under-sexed, mommy issued men who make the games that are terrible.
                            Dude, guess what? A huge chunk of video games are made by these people! Just check out the latest Soul Calibur which looks downright ridiculous. The women in these games are terrible because they're written by under-seed, mommy issued men but seeing as how people eat this crap up like Moses did with manna it's little wonder that they continue crapping out rehash after rehash. Every NIS game after Disgaea uses the exact same character archetypes but they've managed to release 1 or 2 games a year and still churning! It's even worse when people think games like Ar Tonelico are the height of video game storytelling.

                            But yeah, dude this topic is about either discussing cool, well developed females in video games or how disgusting women are in current games.

                            If you want to take shots at me and my ridiculous standards and jaded views then please do that as well.

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                              #15
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                              Hey, art imitates life.

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