Virginia Tech massacre

[Omnislash024]

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On a totally, kinda related note:

I almost never watch American Idol, however tonight I was kinda messing with my new Wii (( )) , and so I kinda had it on. Well, after Simon had given his "you suck" judgement on one of the male singers, the singer sends his condolences to the people in Virginia Tech as he says he has a few friends there. Well... at that point the camera came back on Simon just as he was rolling his eyes.

I know some network exec was on the phone and whatnot because shortly afterward Simon adds that "He and the show send thier heartfelt condolences to Virginia Tech".

But anyway... yeah I'm kinda ****** off at the guy. I'm alos kinda curious about how the Campus Police handled things.

[Maijo]

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Finally, Idol comes up at the Pav.

I love Sanjaya and I don't are what anyone says.

But yes I was mildly offended by Simon's eye roll too.

Lemme get this straight: 33 people died and 28 are injured, and you're concerned about a website? I know I wouldn't put it past them, and for god sakes it would completely asinine, an a cheap scapegoat, but c'mon!

Well, yes Im sorry theyre dead, but Id be even more sorry if one of my favorite websites also dies because of this asshole.

[Nixon]

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Until human beings stop being human beings, you'll see this kind of thing happen again and again. Anger and self-loathing are natural to us. So is the act of eliminating that which makes us unhappy. So is conflict and destruction. Whether that be others or even ourselves.

It just seems like easy access to guns contribute to so many of these atrocities. If this guy wasn't able to get ahold of multiple firearms I doubt he would've been able to kill 33 people in that short amount of time.

[John Mora]

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I just like to say that I'm a Christian and that I don't think it works like that, Valky. There still must be some form of atonement. And I don't think suicide cuts it. Nor do I thing, given what I already posted, that he even felt sorry. He's burning/rotting/watching The View/whatever the do in Hell, trust me.

Oh, okay, so Christianity is a buffet.

[Ivan Rosenguard]

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It just seems like easy access to guns contribute to so many of these atrocities. If this guy wasn't able to get ahold of multiple firearms I doubt he would've been able to kill 33 people in that short amount of time.

I think we have a better chance of ignoring our human nature than we do ever having proper gun control in this country. I was watching CBS news just tonight and George W. Bush was on there talking with somebody about the massacre. The issue of gun control, of course, came up. And Dubya, of course, deftly dodged the question. All he did in response was to pull the damn "My condolensces go out to...blah blah blah", and so blatant was the manner in which he did it. Face it, we Americans value our guns more than we do our lives, which is ironic considering the right to protect one's life is always the first defense these NRA lunatics like to spew out on cue.

[Chad]

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WHO THE **** BROUGHT RELIGION INTO THIS!?

[thetruecoolness]

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Oh puh-lease! That has nothing to do with it. In war, you are fighting AGAINST someone, FOR somthing. This was just senseless killing.

O RLY? So killing for something is ok, and I guess killing for Oil and resources is somehow a better cause? Who makes the decision on what killing is right and wrong. Hmm. Usually in war the losing side were all a bunch of heathens/Neanderthals who senselessly killed people, and if they just would have surrendered so many lives would have been saved (as opposed to the opposition stopping and reaching an agreement). So I think if you look closer you will see that right and wrong change with the seasons and there is a lot of grey area as to whether killing someone is considered socially acceptable or not.

However as a personal belief (you know like Christianity) I think it's always wrong to take the life of another no matter what the context because you are ending their future, one of the only things I think we have. Seems a Christian would always see it wrong as well considering it's one of the ten commandments, or was there fine print below it saying unless fighting in the name of God. Pretty sure there is not, but if you can find it for me in the Bible I'm all ears.

So murder is relative depending on the situation as to how horrific it is considered. Also what about killing Civilians, a common practice in older wars. Was that ok too because it was for the cause of winning the war, probably to occupy the country fighting.

I'm just curious as this seems so obviously black and white to you. I'm not thoroughly convinced it's so much worse, in a more absolute sense.

[Alex]

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One of the reasons I can't help but believe. It brings me great comfort knowing that monsters like this guy are receiving some sort of eternal torture.

It brings you great comfort thinking that monsters like this guy are recieving some sort of eternal torture.

What an aggressive and angry reason to 'believe'.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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@Ivan Rosenguard: unfortunatly you decided to look at this only on the surface. total prevention is never possible, however learning why this happens can reduce them from happening. we can then develope programs that locate these troubled individuals and give them the help they need - this guy had a record of being loopy - we can also change attitudes that lead to this type of violence, we are already working to eliminate bulling (about damn time) which probaly did factor in here, if not this case then forsure others.

random murder wont be stoped, but if we can shrink the cellpool in which it breeds from then dont you think thats well worth the effort? prevention is one houndered thousand times more effective and worthwhile then punishment. a healthy balance between the two is even more so.

wow ive never seen one post step on so many toes before.

[IRC]

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O RLY? So killing for something is ok, and I guess killing for Oil and resources is somehow a better cause? Who makes the decision on what killing is right and wrong. Hmm. Usually in war the losing side were all a bunch of heathens/Neanderthals who senselessly killed people, and if they just would have surrendered so many lives would have been saved (as opposed to the opposition stopping and reaching an agreement). So I think if you look closer you will see that right and wrong change with the seasons and there is a lot of grey area as to whether killing someone is considered socially acceptable or not.

What about killing people in the civil war to end slavery? Are you pro-slavery TTC? Or could it be that things are indeed more complicated than you're making them out to be?

[Kirin]

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It brings you great comfort thinking that monsters like this guy are recieving some sort of eternal torture.

What an aggressive and angry reason to 'believe'.

Of course that's not the only reason I (or anyone else, for that matter) would believe. Even if you don't believe that way, it's uncalled for to make cheap shots. I said that because that's the only solace for the families of the victims. Since this guy offed himself at the end, there's no way we can punish him for what he did. So if you don't believe in some sort of "otherworldly" punishment, then those families not only have to deal with the grief of suddenly losing a loved one in a hailstorm of senseless violence, but also the fact that this person got away with it scott-free. In the end, if having them believe this eases their sorrows and helps these guys sleep a little easier at night, why take what little comfort they have away from them?

[Valkysas]

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Oh puh-lease! That has nothing to do with it. In war, you are fighting AGAINST someone, FOR somthing. This was just senseless killing.

no.

when someone kills someone, they are doing it for something. there IS NO SUCH THING AS SENSELESS KILLING. just because you don't understand or agree with the killer's reason doesnt mean he isnt doing it for something, and likely for someone.

the only difference is that this guy didnt have his own military force to help him.

[thetruecoolness]

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What about killing people in the civil war to end slavery? Are you pro-slavery TTC? Or could it be that things are indeed more complicated than you're making them out to be?

Well I think it's the choice between the lesser of two evils. Doesn't change the fact that both could be wrong, just one seems more so. Though I could argue that with slavery they do have a chance to escape, with killing you don't really ever get that chance for freedom. But I really don't want to get too far into this. Not because it wouldn't be interesting, but it could certainly get ugly.

So what I'm arguing is that I believe killing is always wrong, but I will concede that at some points it does seem to bring beneficial outcomes for society.

[IRC]

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Well there's the age old debate about if you could go back in time and kill Hitler would that be justified.

Really I'm just annoyed about your statement saying that if he did this on the battlefield he'd be a hero. Such a statement ignores all context of the various situations. A more applicable scenario is if this guy was a soldier in Iraq and he went to a school there and killed 30 people there. Even though we're "at war" over there it would still be just as hidious an act. Therefore using it as a basis to make this statement...

So interesting how quickly our opinions on murder change.

Is a very very weak arguement which you deserve to be called out on.

[DarkwingChuck]

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Learn to put faith in the individual. Always remember that the world is full of heartless bastards, nihilistic wackos, and self-absorbed lunatics, but never forsake the beauty of one person willing to do the right thing. What else do we have to believe in?

That's pretty much what I meant. There are certainly many good people in the world but the human race taken as a whole is tragically flawed. One of the reasons I don't believe in God actually. I mean, if there is a God and humankind is the best of all his creations then he must be pretty incompetent.