SUPER BOWL, YEAH!

[Kire]

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One time my mom walked in on me with a McDonalds double cheeseburger. Boy, that was awkward.

...and you gotta love a QB that has Extreme Stubble. X-TREEEEEEEEEEM!!!!

[IRC]

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I thought for a second you said a burger that has Extreme Stubble.

[highwind]

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Their at least as impressive as Dallas in the early 90's

NO WAY. The Cowboys had a hall of famer QB (Aikmen), one of the greatest WRs of all time (Irvin) and arguably the greatest running back of all time (smith). They also had one of the most dominant and crushing offensive lines of all time. Throw in possible hall of fame full back Daryl Johnston and a DAMN good TE in Jay Novachek.

They also had the greatest Cornerback of all time, Deion Sanders and a bruising defense over all. Ken Norton Jr., Leon Lett to name a couple.

And the Cowboys of the early 90s DOMINATED great teams like the 49ers and Bills.

Also, who said that the Patriots win because of luck? You don't win 3 out of 4 super bowls because of luck. The only thing I'm saying is that they never win their titles convincingly. They don't dominate in the Super Bowl. All of their championships could have just as easily gone to the opponent. Have they become a salary-cap dynasty? Yes. Obviously. But they still might not even crack the Top 10 greatest teams of all time in my opinion.

[Vanilla Iced Tea]

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All of their championships could have just as easily gone to the opponent.

Well, the thing is the opponent didn't win. That's all that matters. They don't dominate entire games, they dominate the important plays. When it comes down to the wire, the whole team comes together and pulls out a win. Maybe Brady isn't quite Aikman*. They don't have an Emmit Smith in Dillon. Graham isn't Novacheck. But, for all the big names they don't have, they've got Super Bowl rings to make up for.

Say they win one or two more Super Bowls (more than the Cowboys), would you still not even consider them top 10 -- just because of the lack of marquee names?

* This is debatable. Maybe he isn't hall of fame material yet, but he's got plenty of football to play. If he pulls out more games like Super Bowl 38 (354 yards, 66.7 completion percentage, 19 passing first downs, and 32 completions), he'll be well on his way.

[highwind]

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Brady will go to the hall of fame.

And I'm not talking about "Marquee" players. I'm talking "all time great" players. There's a big difference.

And when I compare teams I think about what would happen if the two teams played each other. That's all.

And I know that a win is a win. I already stated that in an earlier post. There's nothing anyone can do to take away their great acheivements of the past few years.

I'm just saying that the Patriots frikkin' annoy me because if a team is so great I want to see them stomp SOMEONE in the Super Bowl. At least ONCE. Please! Being able to grit games out by the skin of their teeth consistently is remarkable. But greatness should transcend the opponent. They've never done that.

They've won three super bowls by a combined total of 9 points.

[IRC]

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Tom Brady is a three time Super Bowl winner, two time Super Bowl MVP, and he has never, NEVER, lost a game in the play-offs. Tom Brady is one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history. Period.

Corey Dillion is at the mid point in his career and he's doing pretty darn good. He's just under 10,000 yards rushing and he's concievably got 3-4 more years left. He could easily gain 1250-1500 yards a season for the next 3-4 years and break into the top ten in rushing all-time. If Jerome Bettis and Curtis Martin retire in the next year or so he could even get into the top 5.

My point is that it's not about prestige its about production. The Patriots won three times in four years and they deserve to be put up there with the Cowboys.

Also, if you follow football closely, or you played it, or you're anything more than someone who just follows the game, you know that the Patriots are a dominant team. Now they aren't going to go out and blowout an opponent, but that's mainly because of the coaching strategy. Bill Belichek doesn't try to run up the score he tries to win. So when the Patriots get a lead they'll play ball control offense and bust out with an eight minute drive in the fourth quarter.

But they have only lost how many games in the last two years? And look at who they beat to get to the Super Bowl this year. The number one offense? Three points. The number one defense? Blown out for 41. You don't score 41 points in the NFL, I don't care who it's against. Indy could go score 41 points on Dallas and I would be, damn Dallas let Indy get 41 points.

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[Dallas Alvis II]

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I was pretty cool in the 90s, oh, yeah...the team. Nevermind. I thought it was funny that to make up for the last superbowl they get a concervative 60s legacy like ol' Paul. Not that I don't like the Beetles, but the transition made me laugh. He did a pretty good halftime show, I think. ...LIVE AND LET DIE!!!

[highwind]

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Inraged, you've made a lot of excellent points to support your case and I appreciate that.

A "argument" like this isn't meant to sway anyone's opinion and I hope people realize this. Having sports arguments is just fun.

[IRC]

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Hey Higwind, check out this article. I don't mean to but it blew my mind at the comparisons between Tom Brady and Joe Montana.