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    The world begins opinion

    What is your opinion on how the world, universe, or universes began?

    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."

    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death." (gospel of Thomas)


    MY VIEWS

    http://jktarot.com/naples.html (the energy evolution)
    http://jktarot.com/tripleveils.html (deep discussion about nothingness)

    First of all let me point out that Science and the Qabalah are essentially saying the same thing in different languages. Its called occult science for a reason. To me it is a more desirable language. For example, Quantum Mechanics confirms everything is connected in this universe on a quantum level. Thats the same as saying "God is within all things, all things are part of the body of God."

    Then we have Carl Jungs Collective Unconscious, The Akashic records, the galactic overmind or universe consciousness, and the Egregore. Psychic phenomenon is the the result of connecting with other people through the collective unconsciousness. It too is provable.

    Science has also done the math and said that the big bang was caused by the collision of two other universes which exist as membranes in the 11th dimension. The Qabalah has 10 sephiroth, 1 Abyss, and 4 worlds.

    In biblical lore the Qabalah, or Cabala, Kabbalah, is jewish mysticism originally given to us by Angels. Its surprising that such insights are only being proven by science.

    The entire goal of Magick is to make contact with your guardian angel, or higher self. But don't take enlightenment too seriously. You were born to enjoy this life, the moment you turn your back on that you're repressing your fun loving side.

    To summarize the above site, nothing is said to be limitless, infinite, and a mirror of anti-time. A mirror has no form of its own, it reflects. So we have a cone of creation and a cone of the unmanifest. Or we can say that the seed potentially exists as a tree, but the seeds that might come from the tree are negative existence. Tree from seed = potential, seed from seed = negative. We can also the invisible concept of God is negative to us, but the universe is a negative to him, thus a negative of a negative is a positive, at least to us. One might also say that nothing becomes something the moment we think about it. One thing I believe is that we are the universe looking back on itself.



    THE ISSUE

    All things require origin, but at some point there had to be no origin, a beginning that was essentially nothing. The only answer I can think of is that energy is neither created nor destroyed and somehow interacted with nothing to create the universe (or the 11th dimension)

    Another view is that the beginning transcends time itself. Time is created along with the big bang, because now we have a before state and an after state for comparison. Time could also be a circle where the future is in the past, but that doesn't begin the circle.

    Another view is that God is man and every man is a universe. Notice how electrons orbit the nucleus of an atom the way planets orbit a Star. So each of us could have a whole universe existing within us and be the God of it! The evil is then considered any germs or sickness, but like the universe burning out we eventually die...

    Another view is that life is a giant computer. I don't know too much about how this view works, but it has to do with the matrix and binary code (01) so its at least respectable.

    Perhaps the most acceptable view is that its simply beyond our comprehension.


    TO ATHEISTS

    I'd like to remind you of three things:

    1) since your doctrine is pretty much "first there was nothing then it exploded" you should believe in reincarnation, which if you do it is totally appropriate for you to have no interest in these topics to begin with. If life came out of nothingness once, it will do so again and you will be conscious of it again at some point. Astrology, Numerology, and pretty much every new-age philosopy believes in reincarnation. I personally hate the idea and find no justice with it except perhaps for rotating back and forth between predator and prey.

    2) The age of science is very very short lived. Have some compassion for 90% of the human race which lived back in the days of religion. Therefore shoudn't you be looking for your answer there? Have you turned back on everyone who ever lived or do you simply not seek truth at all?

    3) Did such a perfect universe occur without a will directing it? Thats a rather arrogant assumption. Instead of saying there is no God you should be saying man is God. Or maybe God split his will into all of Man. Consciousness is invisible, so why not also disbelieve in it? Clearly there was an original energy of some sort.



    Last edited by Catharsis; 10-13-2008, 08:05 AM.
    "Reality is merely an Illusion, albeit a persistent one." -Albert Einstein.

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    Thats certainly respectable, but you can do some experiments. Astral projection for example. I'm not saying you should though, but for anyone whose interested... I had relatives who were into witchcraft and psychics and I've seen some weird ****. Hell Buddhists claim to do half of it naturally. Anyways the point is just asking what people think may have been the beginning.

    Heres what Timothy Leary had to say about our Brain. Grats to Leary for having his corpse launched into space.

    http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

    1. The Bio-survival Circuit is concerned with the earliest modes of survival and the basic separation of objects into either harmful or safe. This circuit is said to have first appeared in the earliest evolution of the invertebrate brain. It is the first to be activated in an infant's mind. Leary says this circuit is stimulated by opioid drugs. This circuit introduces a one-dimensional perception: forward and backward (i.e., forward towards food, nourishment and that which is trusted as safe, and backwards -- away from danger and predators).

    2. The Emotional Circuit is concerned with raw emotion and the separation of behavior into submissive and dominant. This circuit appeared first in vertebrate animals. In humans, it is activated when the child learns to walk. Leary associates this circuit with alcohol. This circuit introduces a second dimension, up-down, linked with territorial politics and tribal power games (up, as in swelling ones body in size to represent dominance, and down, as in the cowering, tail-between-the-legs submissive stance).

    3. The Symbolic Circuit is concerned with logic and symbolic thought. Leary said this circuit first appeared when hominids started differentiating from the rest of the primates. Leary believed this circuit is stimulated by caffeine, cocaine, and other stimulants. This circuit introduces the third dimension, left and right, related to the development of dextrous movement and handling "artefacts". (Also called by Leary The Dexterity-Symbolism Circuit; called by Robert Anton Wilson the Semantic Circuit.)

    4. The Domestic Circuit. This circuit is concerned with operating within social networks and the
    transmission of culture across time. This circuit is said to have first appeared with the development of tribes. Leary never associated a drug with it. [However Endorphins and other "drugs" produced by the body itself during social interaction can be connected to this circuit. The lack of knowledge about the cause and mechanism of these drugs, as well as lack of a method to stimulating their production, would explain their non-mention in his works.][1] This fourth circuit deals with moral-social/sexual tribal rules passed through generations and is the introduction to the fourth dimension -- time. (Also called by Leary and Wilson the Socio-Sexual Circuit). Some have hypothesized that oxytocin or MDMA might activate this circuit.[2]


    THE FOUR EVOLVING FUTURE BRAINS

    5. The Neurosomatic Circuit is the first of the right-brain, "higher" circuits which are usually inactive in most humans. It allows one to see things in multi-dimensional space instead of the 4 dimensions of Euclidean space-time, and is there to aid in the future exploration of outer space. It is said to have first appeared with the development of leisure-class civilizations around 2000 BC. It is associated with hedonism and eroticism. Leary says this circuit is stimulated by cannabis and tantric yoga, or simply by experiencing the sensation of free fall at the right time.

    6. The Neuroelectric Circuit is concerned with the mind becoming aware of itself independent of the patterns imprinted by the previous five circuits. It is also called "metaprogramming" or "consciousness of abstracting". Leary says this circuit enables telepathic communication, and that this circuit is impossible to explain to those who have only left-brain activity and is difficult to explain to those with active fifth circuits. It is said to have appeared in 500 BC, in connection with the Silk Road. Leary associates this circuit with peyote and psilocybin. (Robert Anton Wilson called this circuit The Metaprogramming Circuit.)

    7. The Neurogenetic Circuit allows access to the genetic memory contained in DNA. It is connected to memories of past lives, the Akashic Records, and the collective unconscious, and allows for essential immortality in humans. This circuit first appeared among Hindu and Sufi sects in the early first millennium. This is somewhat problematic since Sufism was born at the end of the first millennium (ca. 9th century) This circuit is stimulated by LSD, and Raja Yoga. (Robert Anton Wilson called this circuit The Morphogenetic Circuit.)

    8. The Psycho-atomic Circuit allows access to the intergalactic consciousness that predates life in the universe (characterized as the Godhead, the Overmind or aliens), and lets humans operate outside of space-time and the constraints of relativity. It tunes the brain into the non-local quantum communication system suggested by physicists such as Bohm, Walker, Sarfatti, Bell, etc. Israel Regardie compared this to the Buddhist concept of Indra's Net. This circuit is associated with Ketamine and DMT by Leary. While Wilson agreed Ketamine was associated with this circuit, he also believed very strong doses of LSD could unlock it. Because out-of-body experiences can be triggered through smoking extremely high doses of the strongest extracts of Salvia Divinorum, some associate this drug with this circuit as well[citation needed]. (Called also by Leary The Neuro-Atomic Circuit or The Metaphysiological Circuit, Robert Anton Wilson called this circuit The Non-Local Quantum Circuit.)
    Last edited by Catharsis; 10-13-2008, 08:13 AM.
    "Reality is merely an Illusion, albeit a persistent one." -Albert Einstein.

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      You still didn't really explain what an occult experiment entails. How does one obtain empirical evidence from astral projection?

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        Originally posted by John Mora View Post
        You still didn't really explain what an occult experiment entails. How does one obtain empirical evidence from astral projection?
        No no, you see, he has pictures and everything.

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          The topic is dumpster (and not Gloomy's sexy dumpster) but the title wins. That's all I have to say.
          "Mindless killing doesn't do a lot for me anymore." - Sampson

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            Originally posted by Raithwall View Post
            TO ATHEISTS

            I'd like to remind you of three things:

            1) since your doctrine is pretty much "first there was nothing then it exploded" you should believe in reincarnation, which if you do it is totally appropriate for you to have no interest in these topics to begin with. If life came out of nothingness once, it will do so again and you will be conscious of it again at some point. Astrology, Numerology, and pretty much every new-age philosopy believes in reincarnation. I personally hate the idea and find no justice with it except perhaps for rotating back and forth between predator and prey.
            You make some broad assumptions, A) That atheists have any shared belief or so called reliance on science,
            B) Life didn't come out of nothing, inorganic compounds bonded and eventually this nifty particle called carbon came into the picture and then you had organic chemistry, and things took off from there. "Nothing" is only a part of this equation if you backtrack so far as to question where the first particle with mass came from, but that has little to do with "life",
            C) Reincarnation is an idea as old as human history and the way it is interpreted is always within its cultural context (Buddhist and Hindu organized religion views samsara differently, and the former is a growth off of the later's original set of belief). You're not going to get far branding reincarnation in any particular way.

            2) The age of science is very very short lived. Have some compassion for 90% of the human race which lived back in the days of religion. Therefore shoudn't you be looking for your answer there? Have you turned back on everyone who ever lived or do you simply not seek truth at all?
            This implies that no where did anyone within religious context seek to explore the world along some elementary lines of what is now modern empiricism, which is completely wrong (Plato, Aristotle, all those loony toons). Middle eastern society was advancing medical and engineering milestones all while still believing in some theistic concept, et cetra. Your wording also seems to imply that the "days of religion" somehow halted when modern science came into the picture, which is obviously not true either.

            3) Did such a perfect universe occur without a will directing it? Thats a rather arrogant assumption. Instead of saying there is no God you should be saying man is God. Or maybe God split his will into all of Man. Consciousness is invisible, so why not also disbelieve in it? Clearly there was an original energy of some sort.
            What the hell makes the universe "perfect" and why would you even arrive at this assumption? My favorite example of this kind of thinking are the people who believe there must be some guiding force behind the evolution of life, when if one actually looks at scientific literature and understands natural selection, its completely random. A brown bug that was failing to thrive in a green, vegetative habitat suddenly has a population boom once a brushfire comes through and leaves everything brown and black while all the green bugs are easy prey. Theres no "logic" to it. I'm not an astrophysicist but I don't see why it would be so difficult to conceptualize that there is no "guide" to the movements of chunks of rock in space or as to why a certain star forms.
            Again with the idea that atheists have some shared concept of things- plenty of people believe in no god, some believe god is man's ego concept, some believe in bridge trolls, it really does not matter.

            Here read this, you might learn something.


            Heres what Timothy Leary had to say about our Brain. Grats to Leary for having his corpse launched into space.
            The ramblings of someone constantly tripping on LSD. Thats an awesome philosophy and this guy is totally NOT a big joke to psychologists and neuroscientists everywhere oh my god he was a visionary genius.
            Last edited by jacquel; 10-13-2008, 10:58 AM.

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              Oh my god I'm so ****ing tired of this topic.

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                  Now you're being just a little petty.

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                    Philosopher? Tell me, where is the Legacy?!

                    *slaps Raithwall*
                    PSN: KingJamos

                    Add me... I'll wait.

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                      I wanna build the world in my own image, like Dark City, only gayer.

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                        #12
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                        The world began at 4:43am on July 21, 1981.
                        Lil' Bean is here!

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                          This is the lamest topic of all time.

                          I think Raithwall is taking over the title of "Builder of Walls of Text" from Perv.
                          stodi no na ka cenba

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                            FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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                              Originally posted by Gloom
                              "sky ghost"
                              Best god description EVER!



                              On a other note this is something Onyxviel taught me. And if scientist disprove this I might believe in a higher being.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter
                              Last edited by Big Country; 10-13-2008, 03:02 PM.

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