Will the U.S. survive peak oil?

[The Toecutter]

An interesting article below is very succinct in the points it makes and information it wishes to lay out.

http://www.newstarget.com/021942.html

Essentially, if the U.S. does not get off its ass to switch to currently viable reneweable energy, its population and the population of so many other nations is doomed within a 10+ year period.

What the article didn't mention, of course, is the actions our own government and busines interests took to make sure that we never got onto renewable energy in the first place(eg. sabotage of the electric car on part of big oil, big auto,and big government). Nor did it provide any explanation of why those 'leaders' of ours would be so cruel and heartless in the first place.

Give it a read, and see how it connects with what I've written numerous times on this forum and elsewhere.

[Magus]

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It's tough to keep track of what I should be afraid of these days.

[The_Real_Crunk]

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Basically everything.

[Chad]

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Someone tell me when I'm supposed to get off my ass and do something.

[thetruecoolness]

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Someone tell me when I'm supposed to get off my ass and do something.

NOW

Ok maybe sometime after soon but before later.

I'll finish read the articles eventually, but the first one while I'm sure the majority true, is fairly obviously biased and kind of head in the clouds to me. Concentrated Solar Energy sounds really cool though, if only it would work in non-deserts.

[Magus]

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I read it and I'm frightened and I wanna die but also kinda wanna live so I can form a band of revolutionaries after the bombs falls and become king.

KING, I say.

But really, I'm scared and my irreverent stabs at humor masks my fear.

Here's something a friend and I discussed once, not to change the subject or anything but it's kind of relate, because we COULD do this, possibly, but whatever happened to student rallies? Student riots? Wasn't there something like that in France a while back? And the government actually listened? I think?

This article's saying the public just needs to rise up... and... demand... change.

[thetruecoolness]

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This article's saying the public just needs to rise up... and... demand... change.

Yeah but most of the public is too fat to do so from sitting around and being complacent .

So any one up for a Pav Rally. I mean we'll probably get arrested and change nothing but it might be worth it.

[Duel]

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Instead of cars, we need hover boards! hover boards
that run on oil!! Take that society.

[The Toecutter]

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Here's something a friend and I discussed once, not to change the subject or anything but it's kind of relate, because we COULD do this, possibly, but whatever happened to student rallies? Student riots? Wasn't there something like that in France a while back? And the government actually listened? I think?

In the U.S.?

Peaceful methods of resistance in the U.S. since the election of Nixon have mostly been doomed to failure(at least on the federal government level), because those in power won't even listen to the participants anymore. People realized this then and violence-oriented domestic groups such as the Weathermen came into being at that time.

Ever since the Kent State Massacre, American college students pretty much stopped challenging their government through this method. Why? They got scared after bullets were fired in their direction. Instead of taking up arms and fighting back, they decided to just shut up and make some money and become good little yuppies that gladly contribute to the economy. No one wants to wind up dead.

Nowdays, being arrested for whatever reason, even if while protesting, still DOES show up on background checks. Employers damn near universally reject applicants who have any recent 'criminal history', even if it's a minor charge. It's no wonder Americans aren't standing up in as large of numbers as needed. Their very livelihoods are threatened if they try it. Further, participants of modern protests such as NAFTA or the demonstrations during the 2004 (s)election went ignored by our government, even in spite of public opinion; said government merely enacted more bogus laws to restrict such demonstrations even more. Our representatives don't seem to represent us any longer and by and large haven't for a few decades.

Things might be a bit better in France.


A few years after the economy turns a bit more south than it already has, a lot more Americans won't have any livelihoods to protect. We might see 'change' then; it will probably be too late to do anything.

Concentrated Solar Energy sounds really cool though, if only it would work in non-deserts.

It does. Maybe not as well as in the desert, but it will make usable power. Same basic principle as a 'solar oven', and usually doesn't require semiconductor materials such as gallium arsenide, cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, and other materials that are hazardous to produce, which photovoltaic cells require.

[Magus]

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So you're doomed if you do, doomed if you don't.

[The Toecutter]

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Perhaps so, but it's no reason not to try anyway. Frustrating as it is, that's just the reality of the situation.

The best thing you could do is spend as little as you feel comfortable spending. Quit buying crap you don't need and do all you can to send the economy into an early depression. Where practical, ride a bike instead of using a car. Eat less. Turn off the TV. Read books instead of going to theatres. Buy clothing second hand. Avoid putting your cash in banks; put it in precious metals instead. Use more efficient CFL lightbulbs to cut electricity costs. If you must have the finer things in life, get it from a local vendor(eg. want to see a movie? Go to a locally based theatre and avoid chains). In some instances, it's even possible to avoid paying any taxes to the government by donating all the money you would have otherwise paid, or if you're frugal enough and can live comfortably on little, working so little that you don't pay more than a few measly percent of your income in taxes. If feasible, it can even be constructive to participate in the underground economy(the only real free market is the black market).

Hit these assholes in the pocketbook. As time goes on, they're going to try to prevent you from doing this by using the biased legal system, but it's the best option around. Once I get that electric car finished, for example, I'll be cutting out a lot of money from the economy on my part, about $2,000 less a year in gas savings and another $500 less a year in maintenance costs over using the current gas hog.