gay rights - U.S. vs. rest of the world

[Kire]

So yeah, they just legalized gay marriage in South Africa.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa....ap/index.html

Meanwhile we are banning not only gay marriage in states, but also civil unions. Seriously, wtf? I liked a lot of the results this election had, but why are they banning civil unions? That's not even a religious issue.

Not that I'd have a big gay wedding myself (my parents would rather die then let the rest of my family know they raised a gay son), but still...

[jvrlopez]

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America is so behind the rest of the world.

[Shard]

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From an evangelical point of view, any union of a homosexual couple whether recognized as a "marriage" or not would be a religious issue. And every one of their religious issues seems to default into a political one as well.


But yeah, South Africa blazing the way into tolerance, who'd have thought?

[jase]

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Ugh! This shouldn't even be an issue! Everyone is supposed to be equal in America, but no! This sort of thing goes against what America is supposed to be founded on, and may be unconstitutional, although my knowledge of the constitution is hazzy at best. As for the religious aspect, this seems to be a place where seperation of church and state would come into effect! This is a coruption of "American values" if I've ever seen one.

Also I don't mean to bash religion, I'm a christian myself, but doing this sort of thing to anyone, for any reason, using religion as grounds for your actions, seems to me to go against christian values! Christians descriminating against gays is almost exactly like descriminating against aetheists (I hope I spelled that right). This whole issue is wrong in so many ways!

[Alex]

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"Christians descriminating against gays is almost exactly like descriminating against aetheists"

1. Atheists.
2. What.

[Chrome Homura]

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Forgive me for pointing this out smurtle, but your post dosen't make any sense to me. I see that jase has the right idea for the most part, it's just that i'm agnostic and there's just not enough to convince me that all that stuff really happened, blah blah. Trying to stay on topic, yeah this is ****ed up. End of story.

[John Mora]

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I liked a lot of the results this election had, but why are they banning civil unions? That's not even a religious issue.

It doesn't have to be a religious issue for people to not want it.

[Chad]

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Forgive me for pointing this out smurtle, but your post dosen't make any sense to me. I see that jase has the right idea for the most part, it's just that i'm agnostic and there's just not enough to convince me that all that stuff really happened, blah blah. Trying to stay on topic, yeah this is ****ed up. End of story.

He's saying that sexuality is a completely different issue than religion. There are gay christians.


Regardless.

Not that I'd have a big gay wedding myself (my parents would rather die then let the rest of my family know they raised a gay son), but still...

Why would it need to be big? Right?

[neobi]

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To be honest our founding fathers would be all for the gay union stuff. I don't like gay marriage, but gay union...why not?

All someone has to do is start a Group that allows members to 'form pairs' then big insurance companies can either honor benefits to these 'pairs' or not. The ones that don't will lose a part of their market and the ones that do will gain. Ta' da.

To me if I want to start a company and honor something and give benefits based on that, it's my right as a company to do that. So some company should start and do it. Offer benefits to gay couples, start their market and lead the way.

[Ωbright]

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None of this has anything to do with religion...or morality, but rather politics. Gay people were simply used to further a political game of cards...and were played. Period. Almost everybody was played...

One good thing that might come of this, however...is that people are now given even more opportunity to say 'wait a minute...this is ******...'.

It's like Jerry Falwell shooting himself in the foot by saying gay people caused 911.

I don't think that the US is necessarily behind the rest of the world on the issue...there are plenty of countries where gay people have no legal representation whatsoever, and where that is the case, the overall fear, hatred, and resentment are allowed to grow. On the other hand, certain countries make the US look like the PMRC.

[Czechs Mex]

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To me if I want to start a company and honor something and give benefits based on that, it's my right as a company to do that. So some company should start and do it. Offer benefits to gay couples, start their market and lead the way.

But then people will want to switch to a less gay insurance company.

Anti-Gay Phone Company 1
Anti-Gay Phone Company 2
Anti-Gay Phone Company 3

[Caciss]

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The taxes? The cold? The crappy TV?

[Drazus]

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I personally don't like the idea of gay marriage, not only for religious/moral reasons either. Two gays would recieve the benefits of marriage that would otherwise be reserved only for a man and a woman.

[Chad]

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I personally don't like the idea of gay marriage, not only for religious/moral reasons either. Two gays would recieve the benefits of marriage that would otherwise be reserved only for a man and a woman.

But then just tell me why it's reserved for a man and a woman.

[Drazus]

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Why woulnd't it be? It follows the concept of tradition, mainly. It's defined that way in the dictionary also.

Another thing is being gay isn't natural. Humans are naturally straight. A man and a woman are meant to make love to each other.

I have nothing wrong with gays, but gay marriage just rubs me the wrong way. All it would be doing to giving them benefits that they aren't eligible for.