A few days ago, a random troll arrived and flamed the pavilion extensively. Pretty much everyone online at the time here went over and retaliated. two administrators, Gloomy and myself also went into the fray. Unlike a lot of website owners, I know how to deal with trolls. They want you to get mad. they want you to ban them. they want to really get under your skin. they figure as long as they're essentially annonymous, they have all the power. I turned the troll event into a party. I wanted people here to have fun with it. and they did. we showed the troll the same disrespect he showed us by altering his account, renaming him, listing his e-mail address and IP address in his signature, stuff like that. we took all his power away. he kept at it though, he was dedicated. So I ran the now-publicly available IP address through a whois search and posted the results. bam, instant fear as always. instant regret. shortly after that, he left. people knew who he was now, he had no secrets. THEN he was banned. couldnt take the humiliation that he tried making me feel. pathetic.
THAT is how we deal with trolls around here. thats how we've done it every time since I took over the site. thats how we'll continue to do it. if you register at the pavilion just to cause trouble, understand that I will show you no respect at all, and post whatever personal information I have available to the public. think twice before you put that info in my hands when registering just to flame us.
Because of all the crap going on right now in the community over this, public topics have been made about it, and the identity is no longer a secret, so I'll spill. It was "Realitybites". Forum staff member of Doanthenado.com.
Wait, theres more.
"-" aka Neonash posted a topic in the imaginari to showcase some comics he made about his workplace. however, there was no information posted along with it. we didnt know what the hell it was, who the people were, or what was supposed to be going on. so yeah, we told him our opinions of it, many basing their opinions on the artistic merit alone. Neonash has flamed this community many times before, so people have a bit of a grudge against him (that is completely warranted) and I'm sure that effected some of their opinions of the comic.
Nash didnt like this. we're not supposed to voice negative opinions. he posted at doans about it, and a few people over there decided to flame the pavilion because we didnt like his store comic. I closed nash's topic over here and made a big angry post. one I thought was obviously aimed exclusively at the people in the topic I linked to within. such is not the case. some people I highly respect think I was attacking their entire community. had the past week not been such a goddamn mess for me, I may have been able to hold back a bit and make it a bit clearer who I was addressing.
Anyways, many people (including doan himself) are now in an uproar over how I handled Realitybites, saying I had no right to post such personal information, and then drilling into my comment at the end of nash's topic here assuming I targeted everyone there with it, opposed to the people I actually aimed it at: nash, WilliamKirk (currently named Poop over there. appropriate), and maybe 2 others who were flaming the pavilion and myself because we didnt like his comic.
Some people who frequented both this site and doan's site have left here as a result. People I respect and would love to be able to call my friends.
Pavilion flaming happens a lot over there. Doan has told them to stop in the past, and has been ignored, even by his own staff (one of whom stopped by to flame us as previously mentioned). It is my opinion that a website's staff represents that site where ever they may happen to go within that particular community. You make sure your staff... even forum staff, are good people who know how to handle themselves and will reflect well upon your site. Thats what I did. Every single member of the pavilion staff is an outstanding person who would never behave the way nash and realitybites have, either here, or at other RPGM sites. And you know what? thats not exclusive to the staff here. No pavilion members have flamed another RPG Maker site as long as I've been in charge here. No pavilion members have went over and flamed another site on other forums. No pavilion members have ever disrespected other RPGM sites in any way shape or form. But some of doan's members have. Some of doan's staff has. And I'm the one being told that I have no control over his site and forum.
Yes, pavilion members may occasionally be harsh in their criticism of things, especially when that "thing" comes from nash. This is just how things are. the pavilion isn't like doan's site. its never going to be. its the pavilion is the pavilion. We are the largest, most diverse console RPGM community there is. its only logical then that not everyone is going to reply to game ideas positively. Most people give constructive criticism. some dont. but they're just being themselves, and thats what the pavilion is about. people are free to come here, be themselves, and express themselves however they want. just like in the real world, some people arent going to agree with each other, and some are going to be a bit harsh. if you have a problem with this, why bother stepping foot outside your house every day? the real world can be harsher than people here could ever be concerning your work, your art, your personality.
This is just how things are. Every site has it's own personality. The mag is a lot like the pavilion, but also often laid back and silly at times. doan's domain is more serious, and almost completely dedicated to game creation. the pavilion is pretty much a bunch of random people coming together to make games, socialize, and show other creative works.
Everyone has to start/keep respecting the difference in the sites. If you dont like a certain site, stay away from it. Don't go back to whatever site you call home and complain about it, creating a bunch of drama. Just understand that even if you don't, many others happen to like the way that certain site is run, and likes the people there. just because you and a few of your friends don't is no reason to insult it, or invade it.
It is so pathetic that we have problems like this in a community built around expression and creativity. One would think that this theme would help create extremely strong bonds between the sites within it, especially considering there's pretty much only THREE of them.
I've said what I wanted to say on the issue. If anyone else would like to comment respectfully, go ahead.
THAT is how we deal with trolls around here. thats how we've done it every time since I took over the site. thats how we'll continue to do it. if you register at the pavilion just to cause trouble, understand that I will show you no respect at all, and post whatever personal information I have available to the public. think twice before you put that info in my hands when registering just to flame us.
Because of all the crap going on right now in the community over this, public topics have been made about it, and the identity is no longer a secret, so I'll spill. It was "Realitybites". Forum staff member of Doanthenado.com.
Wait, theres more.
"-" aka Neonash posted a topic in the imaginari to showcase some comics he made about his workplace. however, there was no information posted along with it. we didnt know what the hell it was, who the people were, or what was supposed to be going on. so yeah, we told him our opinions of it, many basing their opinions on the artistic merit alone. Neonash has flamed this community many times before, so people have a bit of a grudge against him (that is completely warranted) and I'm sure that effected some of their opinions of the comic.
Nash didnt like this. we're not supposed to voice negative opinions. he posted at doans about it, and a few people over there decided to flame the pavilion because we didnt like his store comic. I closed nash's topic over here and made a big angry post. one I thought was obviously aimed exclusively at the people in the topic I linked to within. such is not the case. some people I highly respect think I was attacking their entire community. had the past week not been such a goddamn mess for me, I may have been able to hold back a bit and make it a bit clearer who I was addressing.
Anyways, many people (including doan himself) are now in an uproar over how I handled Realitybites, saying I had no right to post such personal information, and then drilling into my comment at the end of nash's topic here assuming I targeted everyone there with it, opposed to the people I actually aimed it at: nash, WilliamKirk (currently named Poop over there. appropriate), and maybe 2 others who were flaming the pavilion and myself because we didnt like his comic.
Some people who frequented both this site and doan's site have left here as a result. People I respect and would love to be able to call my friends.
Pavilion flaming happens a lot over there. Doan has told them to stop in the past, and has been ignored, even by his own staff (one of whom stopped by to flame us as previously mentioned). It is my opinion that a website's staff represents that site where ever they may happen to go within that particular community. You make sure your staff... even forum staff, are good people who know how to handle themselves and will reflect well upon your site. Thats what I did. Every single member of the pavilion staff is an outstanding person who would never behave the way nash and realitybites have, either here, or at other RPGM sites. And you know what? thats not exclusive to the staff here. No pavilion members have flamed another RPG Maker site as long as I've been in charge here. No pavilion members have went over and flamed another site on other forums. No pavilion members have ever disrespected other RPGM sites in any way shape or form. But some of doan's members have. Some of doan's staff has. And I'm the one being told that I have no control over his site and forum.
Yes, pavilion members may occasionally be harsh in their criticism of things, especially when that "thing" comes from nash. This is just how things are. the pavilion isn't like doan's site. its never going to be. its the pavilion is the pavilion. We are the largest, most diverse console RPGM community there is. its only logical then that not everyone is going to reply to game ideas positively. Most people give constructive criticism. some dont. but they're just being themselves, and thats what the pavilion is about. people are free to come here, be themselves, and express themselves however they want. just like in the real world, some people arent going to agree with each other, and some are going to be a bit harsh. if you have a problem with this, why bother stepping foot outside your house every day? the real world can be harsher than people here could ever be concerning your work, your art, your personality.
This is just how things are. Every site has it's own personality. The mag is a lot like the pavilion, but also often laid back and silly at times. doan's domain is more serious, and almost completely dedicated to game creation. the pavilion is pretty much a bunch of random people coming together to make games, socialize, and show other creative works.
Everyone has to start/keep respecting the difference in the sites. If you dont like a certain site, stay away from it. Don't go back to whatever site you call home and complain about it, creating a bunch of drama. Just understand that even if you don't, many others happen to like the way that certain site is run, and likes the people there. just because you and a few of your friends don't is no reason to insult it, or invade it.
It is so pathetic that we have problems like this in a community built around expression and creativity. One would think that this theme would help create extremely strong bonds between the sites within it, especially considering there's pretty much only THREE of them.
I've said what I wanted to say on the issue. If anyone else would like to comment respectfully, go ahead.
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