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    ...and wherefrom they done come.

    Possible key human evolution genes identified By Jeremy Lovell
    2 hours, 30 minutes ago

    LONDON (Reuters) - They could be the missing links of human genetic evolution -- areas of human DNA that changed dramatically after the evolutionary division from chimpanzees, though they had remained almost unchanged for millennia before.

    Scientists from the United States, Belgium and France identified 49 "human accelerated regions" (HARs) showing a lot of genetic activity.

    In the most active, identified as HAR1, they found 18 out of the 118 nucleotides had changed since evolutionary separation from chimps some 6 million years ago, while only two had changed in the 310 million years separating the evolutionary lines of chimps and chickens.

    "Right now we have very suggestive evidence that it might be involved at a critical step in brain development, but we still need to prove that it really makes a difference," team leader David Haussler from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of California, Santa Cruz told Reuters.

    Other members of the team came from the University of Brussels and Universite Claude Bernard in France.

    "It is very exciting to use evolution to look at regions of our genome that haven't been explored yet," Haussler said.

    "It is extremely unlikely that the evolution of just one region in the genome made the difference between our brains and the brains of non-human primates," he said.

    "It is much more likely to be a series of many, many small changes, each very important, but none doing the entire job by itself," he added.

    HAR1 is part of a novel RNA gene HAR1F that is produced during the key formative period for the human brain from seven to 19 weeks of gestation.

    Not only that, but the RNA is produced by the Cajal-Retzius neuron that plays a crucial role in the six layers of neurons in the human cortex.

    "We still can't say much about the function. But it's a very exciting finding because it is expressed in cells that have a fundamental role in the design and development of the mammalian cortex," Haussler said, noting the need to investigate the remaining 48 HARs.

    The findings were published on Wednesday in the science journal Nature. Chris Ponting of Oxford University wrote in the same issue hailing it as a possible major step forward.

    "Previously, the hunt for changes in DNA that are causally linked to human-specific biology had concentrated on differences that would alter the amino-acid make-up of the encoded protein," Ponting wrote.

    "Now it would seem that searches within the functional non-coding 'dark matter' might be more enlightening," he added.
    So you're a fish out of water...
    Keep swimming.
    What else can you do?

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    You do know that is has been disproven ten-fold that we are in no way related to apes.

    One example lies in our eye. We have 12 nerves that all function the same: if one get damaged, we go completely blind.

    Apes don't have the same number of nerves in their eye, and they function slightly differently.

    How could that be an evolution? Scientists say it'd be pretty much impossible to have evolved like that.


    Now, does this mean that it's impossible we evolved? No, but when added with the other evidence that has been gathered, it is very, very unlikely.

    To tell you the truth, you know how most people think all (or most) scientists believe we're descendants of chimps? Well, when they look at the not-so-common facts, several scientists have actually looked to creationism and the fact that God could exist.
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      #3
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      Uh, no.

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        #4
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        We came from apes. G.W. is all the proof I need.
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          Be opened minded people. Man from apes is just the explanation everyone turns to because they insist on trying to disprove that there is a God or that life starting from nothing is impossible.

          Look, I'm not saying we didn't evolve from something. Whales actually used to live completely on-land, just close to the water. They found dog/cat-like fossils that easily and obviously relate to the modern whales of today. That's evolution, "a change over time."

          But here's the questions I have:

          If we did evolve from apes, what did they evolve from? Amoebas? And how could that happen? That'd require a lot of evolutions for its amount of time, and some ways just aren't possible. Plus, where did the amoebas come from? A bunch of molecules floating in space that somehow collided?

          Some things we just were never meant to know.
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            We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and Apes have a common ancestor. We're the split-off.


            If we did evolve from apes, what did they evolve from? Amoebas? And how could that happen? That'd require a lot of evolutions for its amount of time, and some ways just aren't possible. Plus, where did the amoebas come from? A bunch of molecules floating in space that somehow collided?

            Some things we just were never meant to know.
            The Earth has been around 4.5 billion years, that's plenty of time for singular cell organisms to ultimately evolve to apes.
            Last edited by Caciss; 08-16-2006, 08:59 PM.

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              Originally posted by Caciss
              We didn't evolve from apes. Humans and Apes have a common ancestor. We're the split-off.
              Bigfoot!!!
              Last edited by Funk; 08-16-2006, 09:00 PM.
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                Originally posted by Drazus
                Plus, where did the amoebas come from? A bunch of molecules floating in space that somehow collided?
                The basis of life is the hydrogen atom. Free floating hydrogen atoms came together, blah blah, this is too much for me to think and type about, seeing as I have a guitar strapped to me.

                Either way, Im preparing for a huge, 100 page, religion vs. science topic.
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                  #9
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                  Each evolution takes a while. And, if we shared a common ancestor, that would mean we had evolved from them.

                  Though I do see your point, say humans were first and apes came from a "devolution" (I hadn't thought of something like that until now) or vice versa. They did actually find very short cavemen. They were about 3 feet high, stood like a human, and were covered in hair.

                  BTW, that reminds me, there was like this huge group of people who were involved with all the big-foot sightings. It started with one man dressing up like a gorilla. Then, 3 guys got involved somewhere a bit farther from that forest. And soon, a bunch of people were involved in the prank. I often wonder if there is a race of bigfoots, but then why haven't we seen them yet?


                  And jvr, what's wrong with religion anyway? It gets annoying how Aethiasts constantly try to disprove the existance of God instead of remaining indifferent.

                  But it requires a lot of heat to cause hydrogen to react.
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                    I think you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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                      Originally posted by Drazus
                      And jvr, what's wrong with religion anyway? It gets annoying how Aethiasts constantly try to disprove the existance of God instead of remaining indifferent.

                      But it requires a lot of heat to cause hydrogen to react.
                      I did remain indifferent. I never said anything about religion, I just tried to elaborate the details on hydrogen. It was you who filled your head with ideas of people trying disprove your beliefs.

                      Whats an "aethiasts"?

                      And a lot of heat? Heard of the big bang? Heard of stars? Super novas?
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                        A majority of the scientific community at large has concluded that dolphins and whales evolved from the same hoofed mammals as cows and deer. Humans and apes seem a lot more alike than dolphins and cows to me. We didn't evolve from the apes that exist today, but both evolved from a different creature which is as yet unidentified but possibly was discovered some time ago and suppressed.
                        Originally posted by Drazus
                        And jvr, what's wrong with religion anyway? It gets annoying how Aethiasts constantly try to disprove the existance of God instead of remaining indifferent.
                        Agnostics are uncertain of the existence of gods, atheists firmly believe gods don't exist. So atheists have no more reason to be indifferent than people who firmly believe gods exist.
                        Last edited by DarkwingChuck; 08-16-2006, 09:15 PM.
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                          Originally posted by Drazus
                          It started with one man dressing up like a gorilla. Then, 3 guys got involved somewhere a bit farther from that forest. And soon, a bunch of people were involved in the prank.
                          *bzzzzzz*

                          It started with the Native Americans. But when have we ever listened to them?

                          Originally posted by Drazus
                          I often wonder if there is a race of bigfoots, but then why haven't we seen them yet?
                          Many, many people a year do.
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                            I mean personally, like captured one or something.

                            And Jvr, I just kinda sped-read your post.
                            Either way, Im preparing for a huge, 100 page, religion vs. science topic.
                            I thought you said you were starting that topic, just a mis-read. And the big bang's been disproven too. And one would assume the amoebas came after the big bang.

                            ...

                            Wait, can they survive in space? I thought that was only some kind of bacteria.


                            Agnostics are uncertain of the existence of gods, atheists firmly believe gods don't exist. So atheists have no more reason to be indifferent than people who firmly believe gods exist.
                            I'm just saying that it seems like atheists go so far beyond just saying "God doesn't exist."
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                              Originally posted by Drazus
                              I'm just saying that it seems like atheists go so far beyond just saying "God doesn't exist."
                              And what? Isn't it part of the christian doctrine to convert as many persons as possible?

                              How's that differ from an athiest "saying more than 'god does not exisit'"?
                              Last edited by jvrlopez; 08-16-2006, 09:25 PM.

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