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    Silicon Valley calls The Toecutter home.

    An electric car topic, how novel!


    By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer
    2 hours, 50 minutes ago

    SAN CARLOS, Calif. - Like many Silicon Valley engineers, Martin Eberhard loves cars, especially fast ones. But the self-described "closet gearhead" didn't feel comfortable buying a hot rod that guzzled gas from the Middle East or some other troubled region.

    So three years ago, Eberhard and friend Marc Tarpenning launched Tesla Motors Inc. Their goal: to design a sports car that would go as fast as a Ferrari or Porsche, but run on electricity.

    With about 80 employees, Tesla just raised $40 million from high-profile investors including Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin and PayPal co-founder Elon Musk. It plans to start selling its first model next year.

    "I'm not the only person that would like to buy a car that's beautiful and fun to drive but also remain on the moral high ground," said Eberhard, 45, who sold his previous company, electronic book maker NuvoMedia, for $187 million to Gemstar/TV Guide International in 2000. "None of the energy that goes into an electric car comes from the Middle East."

    Silicon Valley thinks it can do what Detroit could not — create a thriving business selling electric cars. In the 1990s, General Motors and other automakers spent billions to develop battery-powered vehicles, but they flopped because most couldn't travel more than 100 miles before having to recharge.

    By tapping the Bay Area's engineering expertise and culture of innovation, a cluster of entrepreneurs, engineers and venture capitalists here are racing to bring their own electric cars to market. But unlike the Detroit and Japanese automakers, they're working on high-performance sports cars for wealthy car enthusiasts.

    At least three Silicon Valley startups — Tesla Motors of San Carlos, Wrightspeed Inc. of Woodside and battery maker Li-on Cells of Menlo Park — are among a small cadre of companies nationwide developing electric cars or components.

    As fuel costs rise, technology improves and consumers seek more environmentally friendly vehicles, this new generation of electric car companies sees potential in a market niche largely neglected by the big automakers.

    But some industry analysts question whether electric cars could ever become cheap enough, or have the battery life, to compete in the mainstream auto market.

    "To attract consumers en masse, the price has to be low enough where they can see the break-even point," said Anthony Pratt, an automotive analyst at J.D. Power & Associates. "The problem with electric vehicles is that they tend to be limited by the battery technology."

    Some major automakers are also working on electric vehicle technology, but most are focused on hybrid cars that run on a combination of gas and electricity, Pratt said.

    Backers of electric cars, powered by batteries charged from an electric outlet, say the country could quickly reduce its dependence on foreign oil — as well as emissions of "greenhouse" gases blamed for global warming — if more drivers went electric.

    But so far, efforts to bring electric cars to market have stalled.

    In the 1990s, the major automakers introduced several thousand electric cars under a California state mandate to develop cars with no tailpipe emissions. While those cars attracted a small but devoted following, they didn't get much traction in the marketplace because of their restricted driving range.

    The big automakers lobbied against the mandate until it was overturned in 2003. Most car companies then recalled their electric vehicles and destroyed them, sparking an outcry among loyalists.

    While those models were hobbled by limited driving range, advances in battery technology and electronic components can allow electric vehicles to go more than twice as far on a single charge.

    Tesla and Wrightspeed are using lithium-ion batteries that are more powerful, lighter and efficient than the lead acid batteries used in early electric cars or the nickel metal hydride batteries used in today's hybrids.

    "The battery technology has improved," said Ron Freund, chairman of the Electric Auto Association in Palo Alto. "They keep getting better. They last longer, they're smaller and they charge faster."

    The success of Toyota's Prius and other hybrids have shown there's a market for eco-friendly cars. Page and Brin, Google's billionaire founders, are known to drive Priuses.

    But Tesla's Eberhard thinks the Prius is "terrifically ugly" and believes other wealthy car enthusiasts feel the same way.

    In Tesla's workshop about 20 miles south of San Francisco, Eberhard and Tarpenning offered a glimpse of their first model — a sleek two-seater called the Roadster that resembles a Lotus Elise — but would not allow photographs. They plan to unveil it at an event for prospective buyers next month in Santa Monica.

    "We're building a car for people who like to drive," Eberhard said. "This is not a punishment car."

    To build the Roadster, Tesla engineers designed a sophisticated battery system with more than 8,000 lithium-ion cells and a network of computers to control them, Eberhard said. They also built an electric motor that is more than twice as powerful as earlier electric vehicles.

    The Roadster will be able to drive about 250 miles on a single three-hour charge, drive up to 135 miles per hour and accelerate from zero to 60 in four seconds, Eberhard said. It will cost between $85,000 and $120,000.

    Named after the inventor Nikola Tesla, known for his pioneering research in the field of electricity, the company has big ambitions. Tesla executives talk about building a "new kind of car company" and hope to eventually introduce a series of models, starting at the market's high end and bringing down the price as technology improves.

    But the company must first undergo rigorous government safety and environmental tests — a process whose complexity the founders admit they didn't anticipate.

    "The car business had more challenges than we expected," Tarpenning said.

    Ian Wright, who left Tesla to start Wrightspeed last year, is aiming at the same $3 billion market for high-performance sports cars. The New Zealand-born electrical engineer spent nine months retooling an Ariel Atom race car to run on a lithium-ion battery — a prototype of the car he hopes to eventually sell for about $120,000.

    Wright frequently takes prospective investors — and reporters — for a spin in the hills near his Woodside home.

    With no doors, roof or windshield, a drive in Wrightspeed's X1 feels like a roller coaster ride and can leave passengers wind-beaten and queasy. It accelerates from zero to 60 mph in 3 seconds, making it one of the world's fastest production cars. Last year, Wright's X1 beat a Porsche and Ferrari in separate races.

    "I wouldn't describe myself as a radical environmentalist," said Wright, who is still trying to raise his first round of funding. "I think my customers will buy my cars for performance. The energy efficiency is nice to have, but it's not the reason they will buy the car."
    So you're a fish out of water...
    Keep swimming.
    What else can you do?

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    Re: Silicon Valley calls The Toecutter home.

    "To attract consumers en masse, the price has to be low enough where they can see the break-even point," said Anthony Pratt, an automotive analyst at J.D. Power & Associates.
    The "break-even point" was passed in the mid 90s.

    With today's crudest lead acid battery technology, the break even point is around $.80-1.50/gallon depending on car. With advanced batteries, it's around $.60/gallon.

    Critics often argue the battery technology is limited. 200-300 miles range, the same as a gas car, isn't enough for some reason now? Is 1,750 cycles of NiMH batteries not enough(300,000+ miles life)?

    The only thing left to tackle is recharging time. That's not a matter of battery technology, it's a matter of infrastructure. Fast charging schemes could fully recharge a battery pack in under 40 minutes, in efficient cars with small battery packs, under 15 minutes. These stations just need to be built. The amount of money we spent on this unconstitutional oil war would have paid for such infrastructure all over the country 5 times over.
    The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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      #3
      Funky is market-speak for butt-ugly.

      If you can't afford an electric super-car, you could probably swing this. I wish manufacturers would make more of an effort to design their fuel-efficient cars with attractive lines though.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060628/...rysler_zetsche
      So you're a fish out of water...
      Keep swimming.
      What else can you do?

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        Re: Silicon Valley calls The Toecutter home.

        What angers me is why automakers aren't addressing aerodynamics and consistently resort to a pheneominon called "Price Discrimination" to inflate vehicle price.

        Screw Smart Car's. They're un-aerodynamic, they're slow, and relative to other cars available, they're impractical. The Smart Roadster-Coupe is cool, but could use a horsepower boost.

        With proper streamlining to get drag coefficient into the .16-.18 region, we could have 35+ mpg V8 musclecars. No new engine technology or additional cost needed.

        Or in the case of sports cars, with weight reduction, low rolling resistance tires, diesel powerplant, low drag coefficient, and synthetic transmission oil, we could easily have 90+ mpg sports cars(Google search "Opel Eco Speedster", 97 mpg, 160 mph top speed, .20 drag coefficient, 113 horsepower diesel, 1,500 pounds curb weight).

        Would I be a politician, I'd recommend an immediate 40+ mpg CAFE standard to be enforced starting 2007, along with an EV mandate.

        We can build cars, trucks, and SUVs that meet that 40 mpg without decreasing performance, without decreasing engine horsepower or displacement, without adding to cost, without hybrid or diesel powertrains, without decreasing weight, without decreasing safety, all by addressing aerodynamics.

        The auto industry refuses to significantly address aerodynamics though. Less drag = less horsepower required at speed = less engine wear = less of your money going to the car companies.

        Likewise, the EV is an even larger disruption to the status quo of the auto industry.

        But we have the technology to make that affordable as well, and batteries for 200-300 miles range are here. It's a matter of production volume to get them to be as cheap as the cars of today. Would the gas-powered cars of today be hand-built one-offs like the EVs made by small industries, they'd be at least as expensive.

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        If you're interested in what price discrimination is, rwad this topic:

        http://gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=1198

        Free market, my ass!



        Also of interest to you might be the topic of designing a fuel efficient car from the ground up:

        http://gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=1181
        Last edited by The Toecutter; 06-28-2006, 11:02 PM.
        The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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