Final Requests

[WilliamKirk]

I've thought about it, and if you (Valkysas) truly believe what you said about that first post from Ryner in the 'What Rules?!' topic, the Pavilion will never be a good place. I will be back tomorrow to see that my games/demos are taken off the Pavilion. I would also like my account to be deleted. As I said before, I can't allow myself to support behavior like that, and if that means abandoning the Pavilion forever, so be it. I'll do what I must. I can now see the new moderator thing was just a way to shut me up and prolong dealing with the issue, and that even with new moderators, you're still in charge, and with your beliefs of what good behavior is, the Pavilion won't change at all. I advise you do something about this before more people follow my lead. Those of you I like know where to find me.

RPGM2 Demos:

The Solemn Truth
Ocarina Tunes
Paladin
A Prequel to Paladin

[Valkysas]

Re: Final Requests

okay, I've held back far too long on this issue.

SHUT THE HELL UP.

you dont know whats best for the pavilion. you don't even understand the goddamn pavilion. the area inside the RPG Maker related forums is drastically different than the areas outside. the areas outside the RPG Maker forums are more laid back, and thus so are the enforcement of the rules. Yes, I believe most people here are well-behaved, and that includes ryner. If I had to pick between you and him, I'd pick him a thousand times over. he only makes harsh comments to people who earn them, like yourself.

I do know whats best for the pavilion, I brought it back from the dead. the site is thriving now under my control, we have gained over 750 members in less than a year, agetec themselves have said that the pavilion has improved drastically, and they are perfectly happy with it as-is.

The moderator recruiting was not made to silence you, I do believe we need more moderators in the RPG Maker forums. I just never had any intention of letting YOU be one of them.

You pulled this same crap at the mag, throwing a hissy-fit because you only wanted ONE person to review your games, no one else. when ixzion told you that anyone who wants to review any game can do so, you demanded he take your games down from there too. you're acting like a damn child, and you think you're in any position to tell ME what to do? I've been with this community since day one. few people have put as much work as I have into the online RPG Maker community. who the are you to think you know better than me? what have you done? thrown temper tantrums about ryner, thats what. way to go.

Yeah, I'll happily remove your games from the pavilion, whenever I find the time to do so. I have no problem assisting you in making sure that no one new is ever able to find and play your creations. They were reviewed for the contest already, and while they are no longer able to win, their reviews will be posted whether you like it or not.

I knew this was coming ever since you sent me the following ultimatum (again, who the hell are you to give ME ultimatums?):

I didn't want it to come to this, but after what you said earlier, I feel I have no choice...

I ask that you seriously consider my suggestions and think about what I said, at least. By seriously consider by suggestions I mean approach them with an open-mind. For example, try to see things from the perspective of a new Pavilionite. There is no way that first post from Ryner was not a 'flame', even if you and 'everyone else' at the Pavilion knew that. It is this kind of thinking that has given the Pavilion a bad rep already. I'm only out to help the Pavilion and its members, so please respond to this maturely.

If you do not do what I asked, I request and demand that ALL of my games and demos be taken off the Pavilion. I can't allow myself to promote behavior like that of Ryner (and others), and if that means abandoning the Pavilion forever, so be it. That is all.

pathetic.

I would also like my account to be deleted

too bad.

[RPGD]

Re: Final Requests

Frankly, I agree with Valkysas. You're a friggin' zealous, immature jackass who thinks he's everyone's boss. Your beliefs don't reflect everyone else's and you've broken nearly every rule you demand be reinforced with an iron fist. I have lost every ounce of respect I had for you. I am ashamed.

[Valkysas]

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I'd like to point out that I was completely honest about getting new mods. I still am. however, about the enforcement of the rules...

I had no idea anyone thought there was a problem. it turns out that the people who had a problem with the way things are run here told everyone but the pavilion staff. that really doesnt help much. if there's a problem, no matter how small or large, or who it's with, post in this forum, or give me a PM. we'll look into it. we want to improve the pavilion in every way that it's possible to do so. but we need to know what needs to be improved.

and about his problems and complaints with ryner, the reason we arent so quick to toss out ban warnings when someone is being bothered by another member is because we have an "ignore user" feature. try it sometime.

if they're annoying you, ignore them. if they are clearly trying to harass you, flame you, or just plain out to get you, we'll get involved then. we dont want to ban anyone, or remove anyone from the community. it's always a last option, which is why we have the ignore feature, so we dont have to be quite as generous with bans as we used to at EZboard.

[Rodak]

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I had no idea anyone thought there was a problem. it turns out that the people who had a problem with the way things are run here told everyone but the pavilion staff. that really doesnt help much. if there's a problem, no matter how small or large, or who it's with, post in this forum, or give me a PM. we'll look into it. we want to improve the pavilion in every way that it's possible to do so. but we need to know what needs to be improved.

I would like to start by saying I am sorry if you feel that I should have told you about what I feel is wrong with The Pavilion. I always thought it was just the atmosphere of the place and not worth mentioning because of the reactions when anyone says anything like this in a post (usually accusations of childishness and immaturity aimed at the person criticizing).

Anyway... The only thing I find wrong here is the attitude of many members. Too often people are abusive and callous, but never even get told to tone it down (publicly).

I can't think of examples because I ignore such things (not with your ignore user feature, but with my own mind).

I promise to point out the next few I see, just so you can know what I mean.

In general; it is like a swarm of insects. Any one is not a problem. Collectively it can be a problem.

Pointing to individual posts would be like pointing to one insect in said swarm. Pointless. As you said about the post to which William pointed. By itself it is innocuous. But as part of a larger trend it lends the Pavilion an atmosphere without which it would be a better place.

I can deal with it, no problem. I know Human Nature all too well. I grew up being abused by such people and learned that they are all unworthy of my attention long ago. I refuse to let them bother me.

But it does keep The Pavilion from being my personal favorite RPGMaker site.

This is hardly something about which you can do much of anything. I just attributed it to the statistical inevitability of a few jerks turning up in every large sample of people.

I hope that helps people understand a little of what this is all about.

Peace.

[RPGD]

Re: Final Requests

To be completely honest, I feel the same way. Some people indeed tend to be nasty, and that tends to drag the Pavilion down a bit for me.

[Big Rick Cook]

Re: Final Requests

How could it be possible to drag the Pavilion down when Optimus Prime is riding a rocket corn dog?

I don't think the nasty nancies are truly inhibiting the future of the Pavilion. Online, intellectual elitists (of which I am sadly party) are equivalent to high school bullies. School still goes on, and the nature of bullies doesn't inherently make the school a worse place. What it does is tortures a select few individuals that we net bullies deem unworthy, and those select few do drastic things like what Kirk here did. They act out in irrational ways and arbitrarily demand the banning or stripping of powers from the bullies that targeted them the most often or did the worst thing to them. Hacks and attacks are school shootings, if you please.

Staffmaster is a slightly different example; he demanded that Highwind be stripped of his admin status when Highwind edited his story topic, removing lewd comments about Fushigi Renamon when Rena asked to be left out.

Points aside, I don't feel one bit sorry when something I do contributes to or completely pushes along the removal of someone I don't like. I'm elitist and I don't like having useless cluttered jargon trashing up the Pavilion.

I lost myself somewhere in there. Everything Valk said, I basically agree with. Everything Rodak said, I don't stand by, because the tenets of your post are for a perfect world. Valkysas has personally and publicly given me instructions to stop doing some pervasive action because I was very near to or was breaking the rules. He's sent me one or two PMs on various subjects, and given a public decree in the CWS Discussion topic that flagrant abuse of flaming was to stop immediately. I can also say with certainty that he's on several occasions steered a topic back from a diversion of its original intent, sometimes the hijack I took an active part in. I've been around since 2000, and as far as I can tell, I don't get away with any more than anybody else.

Valkysas and others are in fact doing their jobs and doing them well. All I can say is loosen up to anyone who thinks otherwise.

[Biggie]

Re: Final Requests

Unlike BRC, I stand by Rodak, not only because I consider Rodak a friend, but because if even you guys do get warnings, this disbehavior doesnt end. And when disbehavior like this

You're acting like a 10-year-old, I politely asked you to stop acting like a little punk in an attempt to help you stop acting like a 10-year-old. If my efforts to make you a better person fell on dead, punky, 10-year-old ears

is brushed off as a joke regularly, I dont really see the point in reporting. Valk has already showed some interest in helping fix this problem since he is going to hire more moderaters, so I am done posting about this subject. (I thought I was done at the domain.)

[Rodak]

Re: Final Requests

To be completely honest, I feel the same way.

How else is there to be?


And You, Mister Cook, are an exception.

While I have not read all of your rants, the many I have seen differ from most others in one critical aspect: You do not just insult. You insult and tell why you are being insulting, and most importantly, you offer suggestions on how to improve the offending behaviour.

If you get just plain abusive after that, at least you tried.

Compare that to the behaviours you know I'm talking about.

And consider this; By merely acknowledging the existence of the problem by calling it utopian, you are agreeing with me.

I did say I felt it was easily ignored.

But we part ways when I say I also understand the reactions of those who feel it should stop.

It is utopian.

But that does not mean we should not all try our best to achieve it!

If we set our goals beyond what is possible, we will be more strongly driven to achieve the best.

Idealism is not a bad thing as long as you realize that we can only approach it, and never achieve it. The goal is to get as close as possible.

And Bigfoot, thanks for the support. We'll make a utopia of this whole freakin' planet if we keep it up (and everyone else joins in...)!

Peace.

[Big Rick Cook]

Re: Final Requests

I'm a dreadful biased sort when it comes to utopianism. Most of my current poetry is all about how it can't work.

[Rodak]

Re: Final Requests

I agree it can't work.

That is why it is even more important to strive for it.

Do three impossible things before breakfast every morning!

And you may be the only person on this site who will get the reference!

Peace.

[RPGD]

Re: Final Requests

Rocket Corndog Optimus Prime is the Pavilion's saving grace.

[Big Rick Cook]

Re: Final Requests

Didn't someone say that in Alice in Wonderland, Rodak? I can't remember; it's been literally a decade and more since I last saw it. As for "getting the reference," it's fallen on deaf ears.

[Rodak]

Re: Final Requests

At the risk of going off topic...

It was The Queen of Hearts from Alice, yes.

And that was all I meant by getting the reference. Knowing where it originated.

AH-HA! I can spin this back on topic with literateness!

I know much of this starts with those who are... shall we say... Grammatically Incorrect.

A suggestion: Get a spell checker. Some even check grammar too.

I know I suggested this a long time ago and nothing happened.

So, directly asking our favorite Grammar Nazi, if that were available (and people actually used it) do you think it would help at all?

It is worth noting that other sites have them.

I know I would use it. I am dyslexic and have to tripple check everything I do anyhow! With one of those I'd only have to double check.

Just a thought.

Peace.

[Big Rick Cook]

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Well, I'd like to think that the one we used to have worked quite well. The one that operated off of EZboard. But we still had problems with people who just didn't care enough about their personal correctness, and grammar check can really only go so far. Not to mention that spell checkers, while useful, are lazy tools that promote bad habits and fail to find misspellings that are still other words, like to, too, and two.

Yes, in effect, a lot of spelling errors could be fixed, but I'd still be *****ing and weeding out those who refuse to use it or those who just don't understand the written English language.