rpgm3 vs: xp

[Warrior Angel]

which one do you want more? at first, i wanted 3, but the customization and portablility with xp is what i like. i have a laptop and cd burner, so i think it would be more fun to distribute my games and work on them all the time, not just at home.

[WilliamKirk]

RPG Maker 2!!!!

[Misty]

I like them both equally. In my opinion, neither one is better than the other. I'm looking to have a lot of fun with both of them.

[Biggie]

I like them both equally. In my opinion, neither one is better than the other. I'm looking to have a lot of fun with both of them.

Same, though XP I look forward to making the ultimate Hippy Hunt game.

[Warrior Angel]

cool. i don't have enough money to get both at the same time, i think i'll get rpgm3 last though because i don't have a lot of free time at home. i always have something that's needed to be done, so xp will help me when i'm away from home and have nothing to do. i think rpgm3 will be fun to play around with though. it looks cool. :thumbs

[Solidus]

This is how I see it:

RPG Maker 2: Perfect for everything except for RPGS,heh(great game still)
RPG Maker 3: Perfect for a 3d RPG
RPG Maker XP: Perfect for an old-school RPG.

So, I can't wait for both games. Each'll be fun in their own way.

[Chuck]

RPG Maker 2: Perfect for everything except for RPGS,heh(great game still)
RPG Maker XP: Perfect for an old-school RPG.You'll be able to do anything in XP that you could in 2 and even more. And I like the classic sprite look more than the lego land chibi.

I'm getting RM3 before XP because my current computer is just below the requirements and I have a couple ideas that would be more suited to 3. The games I'm thinking up for XP are much bigger projects (trying to take advantage of the open-ended possiblities) so I'm not really in a rush to get it since I need to take time to plan those out.

[Jeroak Nelave]

I'm getting XP on the 20th, and getting RM3 on the 24th...i have been waiting to see both of these for a long time.

[RPGD]

I'm gonna enjoy both. Like beef. You know, like in a sandwich.

[Rodak]

RPG Maker 2!!!!
I agree whole-heartedly.

I will probably get both of the others as money permits, I even have potential projects for each in mind, but after seeing all the hype for both games I still think RPGM2 will rule the pack simply for the 3-D-ness of it (even though XP will rival it in customizability, it will still be 2-D and thus a step below in terms of graphics and gameplay functionality) (obviously that is just my opinion).

Peace.

[RPG Learner]

I'm not sure if i will get XP since for it won't be easy buying it online. But i'll defintely get RPG Maker 3.

[cloudfrickinstrife]

anyone heard anything about a price for xp yet?

[tjoris9]

It looks like XP'll be $60, and only available as a download.

I'm hoping to have DSL by then, so it'll be a much shorter download time.

[Draygone]

This topic seems more like it belongs in the RPGM General forum.

Anyway, getting XP. Slayers' Reign won't work on anything else. Trust me, I tried, and RPGM3 is way too limiting for something like what I've got planned.

[The Toecutter]

RPGM XP has waaaaay more customizability than 2. I'm waiting for the next PC RPGM to actually be 3D, however.

[The Magic Hat]

I'm all for getting both, but it'll be RPGM3 first since RPGMXP will likely put my computer in a coma. Once I get a significant upgrade, though, it's open season. I already have a project in mind for XP, but it'll have to wait a while.

Either way, I'm in no particular hurry.

[Pandacon]

With the release of RPGMXP, I feel mre excited for that than RPGM3, which makes me kinda sad since I was so excited for RPGM3.

I am looking forward to getting RPGM3 mainly because its in 3D and the generator for field maps/town/dungeons looks really awesome. I am planning a game for it, but I'll probably focus on RPGMXP more.

Also I already preordered RPGM3.

[cloudfrickinstrife]

umm.. i dont have a credit card. lame.

[GamerQ05]

With the release of RPGMXP, I feel mre excited for that than RPGM3, which makes me kinda sad since I was so excited for RPGM3.

I am looking forward to getting RPGM3 mainly because its in 3D and the generator for field maps/town/dungeons looks really awesome. I am planning a game for it, but I'll probably focus on RPGMXP more.

Also I already preordered RPGM3.


Same here, I preordered RPGM3 like some days ago. Now im hearing all this great stuff about rpgmaker xp like ...(DRUMLINE) YOU GET TO MAKE YOUR OWN VOICE OVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO YOU FREAKING PEOPLE KNOW HOW COOL THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me and my freinds allways wanted my make our own voice overs in a rpg and now we got the chance to finally do it. So I will be buying both games!

[Valkysas]

I'm glad so many people are planning on getting both, and I'm sure agetec is too.

to be 100% honest, if I could own one, it would be RPGM3. I dont like playing console style games on PC, and I like the user friendliness of 3, along with the new graphic engine (XP uses an enhanced version of the 2K/2K3 engine)

[Crimson Knight]

RPG Maker XP is too big of a jump for me, and since it's 2D on the PC it's a no-go for me( I do wanna see what people come up with though). I'll be getting RPG Maker 3 when it comes out though. Since that's for the PS2 I don't have to worry about people nagging me to get off and I make games much faster on consoles. :)

[Valkysas]

RPG Maker Xp being on the computer also has the disadvantage of.. well, being on the computer. I dont know about other people, but when I'm doing anything on the computer, I'm always checking other stuff along with it. with XP I have a bad habit of always going to message boards when I'm using it, alternating between 3-4 boards and XP at the same time. distractions ahoy!

it's hard to get distracted sitting in front of a TV, which thankfully cannot multi-task like a PC.

[Manji]

i'm more of a tv & console person.. i plan on reserving myself a copy of RPG Maker 3 today.

pc games just don't have the same allure for me. i grew up with the nes, super nes, genesis, playstation, n64, dreamcast, ps2 and gamecube. those are my roots and i guess i'm partial to the console world.

[Gulshog]

I grew up on the Atari 2600, and the Commodore 64, lol. :lol

Anyway, RPGM3 seems better, if only for the simple fact that it is 3D. Like many others, I cannot see myself buying a game for the PC that is 2D, like RPGM XP seems to be...

Hope it sells well, though...I'd like to see a RPGM XP 3D. :)

[marcus]

So, let me get this straight.

For some of you, the only reason you'll go with rpgm3 over rpgmxp is because it's 3D? It doesn't matter that rpgmxp is infinitely more powerful when the other game is... 3D??? I respect your opinion but I'm having a hard time understanding it.

Personally,
good looking 2D >>>>> average looking 3D

[Valkysas]

hey, people can choose whatever they want for whatever reason they want.

[DarkEpyon]

If you want the 3D thing, go with #3. If you want, in Tim Taylor's immortal words, "MORE POWER!" then go with XP. If you want your cake and eat it too, get both. Problem solved. :)

[Lord_Mofop]

This is how I see it:

RPG Maker 2: Perfect for everything except for RPGS,heh(great game still)
RPG Maker 3: Perfect for a 3d RPG
RPG Maker XP: Perfect for an old-school RPG.
I think RPG Maker 1 is perfect for an old-school RPG, where RPG Maker XP is more for like a Chrono Trigger type-game, which might be considered old school, but not as old school as Final Fantasy 1, which is the kind of games you could make on RPG Maker 1.

I agree with Valk on the whole RPG Maker 3 over XP. It's easy to get distracted on the computer and plus, I dont like sitting down in a chair for hours, that's what I go to school for. Nothing's better than laying on your bed sipping on some pibb xtra making an rpg.

So, let me get this straight.

For some of you, the only reason you'll go with rpgm3 over rpgmxp is because it's 3D? It doesn't matter that rpgmxp is infinitely more powerful when the other game is... 3D??? I respect your opinion but I'm having a hard time understanding it.

Personally,
good looking 2D >>>>> average looking 3D

If you look back at RPG Maker 1 and 2, 3 is way ahead of both. The maps and towns look amazing. In fact, a lot of reviewers of RPG Maker 3 are complaining that the graphics are too far behind, and then they go off and expect FF10 cutscene graphics. Shame shame. But I dont think it's just graphics that are pulling people to RPG Maker 3, it's the simplicity. I bought RPG Maker 2 expecting gold, and in return I got a lame dragon warrior 7 maker. I got angry and turned it in at EB and got 8 bucks, store credit. I walked home with 5 dollars, 1/10 of the price I bought it for. :droplet

Another reason, not really a really big reason is that RPG Maker XP is $60, and it requires a credit card so it makes it harder for people to get it. RPG Maker 3 is only $50 and can be bought at your local Wal-Mart

RPG Maker 1- Will always be a classic.
RPG Maker 2- After playing it for a couple of hours....:explosion
RPG Maker XP- Looks awesome, but i'm not a computer person.
RPG Maker 3- :extreme

[marcus]

I wasn't talking about functionality, I was just bringing up the point of 3D over power. I'm not starting an argument or anything, I just found it kind of strange that someone would choose 3D over raw power. It's like buying a lamborghini with the engine of a honda civic; you barely have the power to shift to first gear but all the neighbors will gawk at your shiny paint job.

But hey, to each his own. As long as you support Enterbrain/Agetec it really doesn't matter.

[Lord_Mofop]

I'm not starting an argument or anything,

I hear that. Arguements are pointless, and I hate getting into them here at the pavilion. But nonetheless, I can understand what you mean about all graphics-screw gameplay (I idolize Nintendo), but comparing them to the previous RPG Makers, the graphics are amazing. It's kind of a, "culture shock" with graphics. Maybe not to some people, but to me this makes RPG Maker 2's, "3-d" graphics a joke.

[Chuck]

The graphics in RM3 are a big draw for me more for the fact that they fit in with what I'd like my game to look like than the 2D sprite graphics of RMXP. And the power of XP means a lot more complexity and a lot more learning time before I can actually make what I want whereas RM3 is specifically designed to make the process as simple as possible. I do plan to get both but I'm waiting a bit on XP.

[The Toecutter]

It would be nice if the next PC RPGM would be set up so that the games you make from your PC would be PS2 compatable. But one could dream...

[marcus]

It would be nice if the next PC RPGM would be set up so that the games you make from your PC would be PS2 compatable. But one could dream...
Well, if we ever get another rpg maker chances are it'll be on the next gen consoles.

Rpg maker in delicious hi-res with the addition of cheap and supported hard drives. I can't wait.

[Valkysas]

It would be nice if the next PC RPGM would be set up so that the games you make from your PC would be PS2 compatable

and then each and every one of us would owe 8 dollars to sony per copy of our game sent out. no thanks.

[HolyPhoenix]

ok guys, I agrre with Valk alot. I dod get into something else when I am on the computer. Besisdes that I am going to enjoy the map editor. Although there is alot more that can be done on Xp I think I want RPG Maker 3 more. The main reason though is my internet stanks and I don't have a computer to download it on. I could use this one but my dad would get mad at me.

[Biggie]

Meh, I will get xp within a few months, once I get a better computer. But I am currently planning what to do with RPGM3, I cannot wait.

[Rodak]

I was really psyched about XP, but then I read that there is absolutely no camera control and that ruined it for me.

I know it is 2D and therefore you can't rotate the camera. That did not bother me. But if I can not even zoom in and out I think I'll stick to RPGM3 for a while. I enjoy cinematics and without the ability to even zoom in on something I just think the software is still not up to par for my dream project (Looney Tunes vs Aliens).

Please tell me I heard wrong and it is, indeed, possible to zoom the camera in and out with this software!!

Unless it would be a lie. Then I have to just deal with it. Or without it. Or whatever.

I have no problem with the 2D-ness. In fact, for some things, 2-D can be superior. The single best looking Looney Tunes game to date is STILL Wabbit Wampage for the SNES. And that was 2-D. Bugs Bunny just does not translate well to 3-D (except with huge budget movies).

But the cinematics are everything for a cartoon game, so this is a deal breaker for me.

Oh well, I've had worse.

Peace.

[marcus]

I was really psyched about XP, but then I read that there is absolutely no camera control and that ruined it for me.

I know it is 2D and therefore you can't rotate the camera. That did not bother me. But if I can not even zoom in and out I think I'll stick to RPGM3 for a while. I enjoy cinematics and without the ability to even zoom in on something I just think the software is still not up to par for my dream project (Looney Tunes vs Aliens).

Please tell me I heard wrong and it is, indeed, possible to zoom the camera in and out with this software!!

Unless it would be a lie. Then I have to just deal with it. Or without it. Or whatever.

I have no problem with the 2D-ness. In fact, for some things, 2-D can be superior. The single best looking Looney Tunes game to date is STILL Wabbit Wampage for the SNES. And that was 2-D. Bugs Bunny just does not translate well to 3-D (except with huge budget movies).

But the cinematics are everything for a cartoon game, so this is a deal breaker for me.

Oh well, I've had worse.

Peace.

You can zoom, just not by default. It requires rgss programming. Even still, there are ways to trick the game into zooming using transitions and pictures. Just wait until I release reality frontier; I really pushed rmxp's cinema capabilities with just events. I can't imagine how awesome it would look using scripts.

[JANK]

Lets face it, a lot of RPGM designers are intimidated by RPGMXP just as in RPGM2 and are afraid that they will lack the skill to keep up with the more experienced programmers. I'm one of them. The appeal of RPGM3 vs XP has much more to do with the simplicity than the graphics.

[Rodak]

Thanks Marcus, that's what I call Super Service!

I never used any RPGMaker other than 2 and am unsure what you mean by controlling things with events and looking forward to scripting. In 2 you can't make an event do anything without a script. I guess I'll find out what you mean when I get the game.

To see a little of what I mean about cinematics check this thread:

http://www.pavilionboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2835

I love the complexity of RPGM2 and feel I would be let down by the limitations of RPGM3. But the thread was about those two, so I just avoided the subject. But of the three there is no question in my mind that RPGM2 will still be the best because of the 3Dness and customizability together.

I'll keep an open mind and reserve final judgement until after I see them all (and some of what others do with them).

Peace.

[marcus]

Rest assured, RPG Maker XP is incredibly simple to use (it wasn't even that difficult when Enterbrain released the jap only demo more than a year ago). The rgss programming is there for hardcore people to truly customize their game to extents that weren't possible (or very difficult) before.

Yea, I just remembered that the two rpg maker's have different terminology but they still function the same. I'll help you out by explaining how it works.

Everything in-game is run through events. Events in rpgmxp is basically the script, event, and event placer from rpgm2 mashed into 1 handy, user friendly screen. From here, you can select the events graphical sprite, it's animation style (whether it animates or has a fixed graphic, etc.), how it moves (motionless, random, towards the hero, custom, etc.) and how it triggers (switch, variable, carrying an item, etc.). From there, you have your pages for extending an event and then you have the actual event block which acts as the script creator in rpgm2.


Now, because you have the option to draw your own sprites, you can create cinemas by using simple art techniques and tricks. Instead of drawing a spaceship sideways, you could draw the spaceship from an isometric 3/4 view and have it flying towards the screen while the space station shrinks in the background. This gives the viewer a sense of depth. You don't have 3D camera controls, but using the power of simple art and animation techniques, you can make high-quality, cartoon style cinemas.

Also, because there are multiple layers, you can add even more depth to the images. In my game, while your platform-hopping across a field, there's a village being destroyed by a robot-cyclops monster. The background image consists entirely of battle animations (think of the vfx editor but more powerful... SERIOUSLY YES MORE POWERFUL) but because it takes place behind the hero on another layer, I trick the viewer into thinking it happens in the distance.

Basically, as I said, it's the entire script/event editor from rpgm2 mashed into one screen and you don't have to switch and load between maps and editors and you can place all events on the map as is. That's one thing I didn't like about rpgm2; the editors were EVERYWHERE. I hear that almost everything in rpgm3 can be done on a single screen so I'm looking forward to that.

[Crimson Knight]

I'm one of those people who weigh power and accessability. I don't like PC gaming because I can't spend over 3 hours on chair looking at a small monitor micromanaging my game before I even play it.

If a game is for a console, even if it isn't better than the PC version, I'll still get it because it's you guessed it, more accessable for me. Now, if RPG Maker XP was available for consoles, I'd snap it right up.

[RPGD]

Get a big TFT monitor.

[Draygone]

I'm more of a console person myself, but I'll be getting XP myself, 'cause it's a freaking 2D RPG Maker that's 10000000000000000000000000000000000 times better than RPGM1! Unlimited custom graphics, ahoy! I could never multitask like some of you anyway. If I'm looking at a web site, that's all I'm going to do. No way I'd be able to look at a message board and work on my RPG at the same time. I can't even listen to the radio the same time I'm playing games. Except if I'm working on a game, but that's because the bleeps of bloops of game creation gets on my nerves quite easily.not as old school as Final Fantasy 1, which is the kind of games you could make on RPG Maker 1.Dragon Warrior IV (an NES game) could do things RPGM1 couldn't. :(

[Git Box]

I want both :(- I'll problably have to wait until X-Mas for RPGM3, if you greedy people haven't taken all the copies already-I'm watching you! But I think I'm looking forward to RPGMXP more, just seems like you'd be able to make a better game with it all around, even though RPGM3 is so purdy.

[JANK]

I'm stoked about both. What else can I say?

[cloudfrickinstrife]

i probably asked this question 29340 days ago but.. how pay for it? credit card only?

[Draygone]

Credit/debit card. I don't know if PayPal's an option.

[cloudfrickinstrife]

ooooh debit card.. i think i was gonna go get one of those anyways.

[IRC]

It depends on what style you are. RM3 is 3d, RMXP is 2d. I've always perfered 2D sprites to 3D polygons. Altough I did immensly enjoy RM2's 3d graphics, scripting events made me cry and I quit. And while admittedly I don't know much about what's available for RM3 it looks very restricting. I don't know if I'm going to stretch the limits of RMXP but I do like the fact that I can customize pretty much anything I can imagine. As long as I can draw it in MS paint, I can have it in my game. With RM3 it looks like I'm stuck with windmills and grain towers and bland looking dwarfs and witches. I just think that RM3 looks horrible. Like some bad PC game graphics. I don't see any color in it. I'm sure that I'm woefully uniformed with what you can do in RM3. I'm just not impressed with being able to make a 3d rpg if that 3d rpg looks like complete ass.

[Draygone]

I don't know if I'm going to stretch the limits of RMXPWhat limits?

[Dreamknight]

Customizing the very interface of the game is what makes me happy. My own menu layout, gotta love it.

*working on character portraits*

[BeeZee]

I don't really have much of an interest in RM3, but XP is amazing. I love being able to customize literally everything, from the battles to the tiles and sprites to the music to the game scripts. I'm sure I could have a lot of casual fun with RM3, but the artist in me is all about XP.

[Dyne]

RPGM3's biggest strengths: Incredibly awsome graphics and enviroments, as well as an easy to use interface.

XP's biggest strengths: Almost complete customization, from towns, to music, to characters, to events and story.

Hard to choose, but I personally like RPGM3 more. But still, I might rather have something like RPGM3 on PC rather than a Console...

[Geowil]

imo, Xp's scripting is way more complex, since you can go through it and create your own battle styles, like old rpg maker style or in-map fighting like Chrono Trigger and such. Xp is way more flexable then 2k3 was. at that, i like xp way better, not only cuz o the things mentioned above, but because of the graphics being better. somethings i dislike though is that its harder to get to the event pics cuz you have to double click the pic box now, and when your used to 2k3's menu layout, it gets confiusing in the menus at first.

[Ryner]

XP is everything we ever wanted. The power of RPGM2, the ease of RPGM1, it is God. I really see no reason to even consider a purchase of RPGM3, especially since I've heard lots of not-so-nice things about it.

[Dreamknight]

I like both loads, actually. 3 is a lot of fun and the field editor can have me lost for hours and coming out with something that looks amazing.

[Draygone]

After having fiddled around with RPGM3 some, I must say it does rock, if you don't mind the lack of customization and decent cutscenes.

[malaria]

pc games just don't have the same allure for me. i grew up with the nes, super nes, genesis, playstation, n64, dreamcast, ps2 and gamecube. those are my roots and i guess i'm partial to the console world.


here , here ...

how else can one drink, smoke, eat cheese doodles and have a rumble pack rumble ones pack?


i just cannot laze about and chill at the computer the same way i can on the sofa or "MY chair"

[abner]

When RPGM2 came out:

I remember being shocked when I put in RM2. I looked at the box to make sure I bought the right game. I checked to make sure I placed the CD into a PS2 and not a PS1. That wasn't it either. I suspended my horror and went ahead and took a few steps in the sample game... After I cleaned up the puke from the nausea I got from moving, I decided I would keep the game if only to support Agetec.

Yesterday:
I downloaded a RPGM2 game and was amazed at what you can do if you spend enough time with the quirky little engine. But having played 3, I don't think I can subject myself to the graphics of 2, no matter how tweaked. I really enjoy the graphics of games. I'm more biased in that regard.

so as far as 3 vs xp, I'd have to choose 3 cause it has betteriphic graphics.

[Tsunami]

I'm really more of a console person which is why I went with 3, but I will be getting RPGMXP at some point in time.

[Ryner]

You shall get it and you shall love it.

[Zan]

RPG Maker 2!!!!
i would pick 2 over 3, but XP over all of them

[IRC]

XP's frustrating me because I can't get it to look like I want and I keep having to spend hours editing tilesets. But so far it's been worth it.