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    Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in prison

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gue...stic-terrorist

    The United States Department of Justice delivered a very clear and unfortunate message on Friday:

    “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”

    These remarks were released by the US Attorney’s office in the western district of North Carolina following the conviction of one Bernard von NotHaus, the creator of the ill-fated Liberty Dollar.

    As you likely recall from a few years ago, Liberty Dollars were privately minted gold and silver rounds. Paper certificates, akin to warehouse receipts were also issued, effectively giving the bearer a right to claim a certain amount of gold or silver at the group’s warehouse in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.

    This is traditionally how the system of money used to function– precious metals would be stored in private, secure storage facilities, and paper certificates were issued as a medium of exchange that entitled the bearer to redeem metal from the vault. Liberty Dollars represented a return to that system.
    Does anyone not see the irony? The Federal Reserve destabilizes and debases our currency all the time(and profits handsomely from it), and does so even in defiance of the U.S. constitution that specifically states that congress has the power to print our currency, and also states that congress cannot delegate this power to another entity.
    The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

    Here, have a 30 minute animated film about this.

    ...and that's why.

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      #3
      Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

      Signed: Pile

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        terrorism? seriously? what a ****ing pile of ****. i miss the days where everything wasnt about some flashy word that means **** all now. terrorism is a guy blowing himself up in some crazy country, not some guy printing out certificates for gold. i guess this was the guy who had all the gold coins confiscated?

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          Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

          Terrorism is the new communism.

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            Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

            Originally posted by The Toecutter View Post
            http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gue...stic-terrorist



            Does anyone not see the irony? The Federal Reserve destabilizes and debases our currency all the time(and profits handsomely from it), and does so even in defiance of the U.S. constitution that specifically states that congress has the power to print our currency, and also states that congress cannot delegate this power to another entity.
            NOBODY ELSE GETS TO USE MY BIG WHEEL
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              Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

              The most frightening part is that its called domestic terrorism. I don't like it, its like feature creep in a software system, but way worse.
              stodi no na ka cenba

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                Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                Originally posted by The Toecutter View Post
                http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gue...stic-terrorist



                Does anyone not see the irony? The Federal Reserve destabilizes and debases our currency all the time(and profits handsomely from it), and does so even in defiance of the U.S. constitution that specifically states that congress has the power to print our currency, and also states that congress cannot delegate this power to another entity.
                It's only irony if the Federal Reserve was making said charges. They're not.

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                  Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                  The "terrorism" comment is a buzz word used by a single attorney. A poor choice of words for what amounts to a Title 18.

                  This probably wouldn't have gone anywhere if Bernanke hadn't challenged the US Mint's claim that his currency wasn't real back in '07.

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                    Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                    On the subject of liberty dollars, the government now considers them as contraband and could seize them:

                    http://www.coinworld.com/articles/li...ct-to-seizure/

                    Gold and silver confiscation may not be that far off if a little hyperinflation surfaces...
                    The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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                      Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                      **** the government, like serious **** them hard. this whole thing is super bull****. move out of the states, come to canada where we at least have some decent laws.

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                        Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                        Oh wait...NVM.
                        Last edited by Ωbright; 09-05-2011, 11:49 AM.

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                          Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                          Originally posted by Karr Lord of Chaos View Post
                          **** the government, like serious **** them hard. this whole thing is super bull****. move out of the states, come to canada where we at least have some decent laws.
                          Canada is beginning to look more and more attractive. In the U.S. we have a government that is entertaining scenarios of using violence on its own people should the economy not recover and massive civil unrest begin. Katrina should have been a wakeup call...

                          Canada is slipping though. Recall the semi-recent summit in Toronto... That being said, Canada has much further to fall than the U.S.
                          The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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                            Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                            The elephant in the room is that Liberty Dollars were meant to act as a competing currency to US Dollars. If their purpose were barter, you could just barter Gold certificates; there would be no need to standardize the form, denominations, etc., and call them "dollars".

                            Now that being said, I think it's bull**** that competing currencies aren't allowed, and even bigger bull**** that the Fed can just wantonly create currency to achieve the economic/political ends of its friends... but the charges (if not the long jail sentence) seem reasonable.

                            If we need to get rid of this ridiculous law, let's try to do that rather than skirt around it.


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                              #15
                              Re: Creator of liberty dollar charged with domestic terrorism; faces 15 years in pris

                              1) Wikileaks has revealed that China is aware of Gold price manipulation, and the US is aware that China is aware.

                              2) Canada will join us in the depression soon. Their "safe" banks are grossly leveraged and their reliance on industrial commodities will bite them soon.

                              3) Even as gold nears $2k, buy it and/or silver.

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