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    Supreme Court looks at new game standards for Minors

    Surprised none of you nerds are following this:



    When California defends its ban on selling ultra-violent video games to minors before the Supreme Court today, it will ask the justices to do something no U.S. court has ever done: exempt a type of violent content from the First Amendment's protection of free expression.

    The law, blocked by court orders since Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed it in 2005, would prohibit the sale to anyone younger than 18 of a video game that was so violent, it was "patently offensive" under prevailing community standards for minors. Prosecutors would also have to show that the game lacked serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

    Like every other court that has considered such a law, the federal appeals court in San Francisco declared the California ban unconstitutional in February 2009. "The government may not restrict speech in order to control a minor's thoughts," the three-judge panel said.

    But the Supreme Court may have signaled a willingness to chart a new course with its decision to review the California case. The court has established separate constitutional standards for minors in recent rulings on the death penalty and on free speech in school, and the state is urging a similar classification for interactive onscreen mayhem.

    Kids and free speech
    "The First Amendment rights of minors are not coextensive with the rights of adults," the state's lawyer, Deputy Attorney General Zackery Morazzini, said in written arguments.

    Youngsters lack "the capacity to make a reasoned choice" when it comes to video games, he said, and California simply wants to reinforce parents' authority to protect their children.

    The video game industry, with more than $10 billion in annual nationwide sales, also claims to represent parents' interests.

    "There is no reason to think parents need California's 'assistance' in deciding which expression is worthwhile for their children," attorney Paul Smith said in a court filing. Smith is a lawyer for the Entertainment Software Association, which has sued to overturn the law.

    Just like movie ratings
    He said families are protected by the industry's voluntary rating system for retailers, which is based on age-group categories like those at movie theaters. The state and its allies call the system porous, but Smith described it as "remarkably effective."

    At least six other states and several cities have passed laws similar to California's. The courts have struck down all of them.

    In April, the Supreme Court ruled that videos showing cruelty to animals were entitled to constitutional protection. The 8-1 ruling struck down a federal law that made it a crime to show any such images but left open the possibility that a narrower law, targeted at particularly sadistic content, might be valid.

    California argues that its law is limited to the most brutal, least socially valuable commercial products, those that reward a player for killing, maiming, raping or dismembering human figures.

    Morazzini cited a court description of "Postal II," in which the player goes on a rampage of slaughtering police and unarmed civilians. "Girls attacked with a shovel will beg for mercy; the player can be merciless and decapitate them," he wrote.

    Classic themes
    Smith painted a more benign picture of an "increasingly sophisticated medium." More than two-thirds of U.S. households include at least one video game player, whose average age is 34, he said.

    "Like the best of literature," Smith wrote, video games "often involve classic themes that have captivated audiences for centuries, such as good-versus-evil, triumph over adversity, struggle against corrupt powers, and quest for adventure."

    California's law, he argued, is "the latest in a long history of overreactions to new expressive media," such as comic books, movies and rock music - all of which were once portrayed as dangers to children's morals and welfare.

    The court challenge is supported by moviemakers and booksellers, who say they fear a precedent for government censorship, and civil liberties organizations.

    Link to violence?
    California is backed by the American Academy of Pediatrics, which says studies increasingly show that minors who play violent video games are more likely to think and act aggressively.

    Other researchers have disputed that conclusion, and the appeals court said it found no convincing evidence that the games cause psychological damage.

    That issue is intertwined with one of the state's main arguments: that violence in video games should be judged by the same obscenity standard as sex.

    The Supreme Court ruled in 1968 that a state could prohibit sales of sexually explicit material to minors that would be legal if sold to adults. If the court looked at video violence through the same lens, California would have an easier time justifying its law - for example, with studies that suggest a link between the games and aggressive behavior.

    "Violent material can be just as harmful to the well-being of minors as sexually explicit material," Morazzini said.

    Not so, said Smith. "Unlike explicit sexuality, violence is not and never has been a taboo subject for children," he said.

    A ruling in Schwarzenegger vs. Entertainment Merchants Association, 08-1448, is due by the end of June.



    E-mail Bob Egelko at begelko@sfchronicle.com.

    This article appeared on page C - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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    Prosecutors would also have to show that the game lacked serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.
    Maybe that means that developers will have to take story or artistic vision a bit more seriously.

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      my favorite part so far:

      While the justices did not betray intimate knowledge of playing games some seemed familiar with the medium. Justice Elena Kagan at one point asked California if Mortal Kombat would be banned under California's law. "Half of the clerks [in the Court] have spent a considerable amount of time playing it," she said. "I don't know what she's talking about," Scalia quipped.
      See? An Obama judge is hip and knows what the kids are playing!


      Maybe that means that developers will have to take story or artistic vision a bit more seriously.
      The sad thing is they're trying NOW...and I severely doubt a game company is going to try to up its literary quality so it can be sold in California.
      Last edited by Kire; 11-02-2010, 02:43 PM.

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        Parents should be solely responsible for what their children play, and the only law there should be is to prosecute retailers if they sell M rated games to minors. But it is the parents responsibility, and it ****** me off that parents try to blame anyone but themselves.
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          #5
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          Originally posted by Kire View Post
          The sad thing is they're trying NOW
          That is extremely sad.

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            #6
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            Hey california, how about you work on improving your ****ty movies instead

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              #7
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              The sad thing is they're trying NOW

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                ...
                Last edited by Shard; 11-02-2010, 04:15 PM. Reason: Decided against it.
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                  #9
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                  It boggles my mind this is video game violence **** is still being entertained as an issue.

                  I mean.

                  Saw 3D is #1 at the ****ing box office.

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                    #10
                    Re: Supreme Court looks at new game standards for Minors

                    I don't see a problem here.

                    I feel ultra-violent content is far worse than sexual content, but we can't sell sexual content to minors!

                    So until sexual content is OK in all places and for all people, ultra-violent content should face the same restrictions.

                    It sickens me that kids can see people stabbing, shooting, and maiming each other - but an act of love is taboo!!

                    GROW THE FLUFF UP AMERICA!!!

                    MOO!




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                      #11
                      Re: Supreme Court looks at new game standards for Minors

                      But adults still see games as a childish pasttime, so when a violent video game comes out, they FLIP OUT.

                      It's like when people used to flip out over anime because they thought it was all hentai.

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                        #12
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                        I've been following it, it's stupid.

                        First of all, the video game violence they're referring to is in very bloody games. When they reference stuff they go for games like Postal 2 or Manhunt or some other games that goes out of it way to depict realistic violence. We all play games here, and we all know the levels of violence aren't much different from what is found in films or television. And in all three media, the level of violence can vary from opus to opus. Painting them all with a broad brush displays rank ignorance.

                        Second, if the parents are that concerned, the need to learn about the goddamned ratings. That's why games have them in the first place. Don't complain if you had your head up your ass, and got a game for little Timmy that said M on the front and "Intense Violence" "Blood and Gore", "Strong Language", "Use of Drugs", and "Strong Sexual Content" on the back. That'd be like going to the video store, getting a cartoon for him to watch only to find out too late that it was a really violent hentai, and you ignored the PARENTAL ADVISORY label on the front like the braindead idiot that you are.

                        California argues that its law is limited to the most brutal, least socially valuable commercial products, those that reward a player for killing, maiming, raping or dismembering human figures.
                        Now that is really vague language. Particularly "killing...human figures". You know how many games I have that could fall under that by following the most boneheadedly straightlaced criteria I can think of? Most of my PS2 games could fall under that if someone wanted to judge things stupidly. I can think of freaking NES games I have that could fall under that.

                        If you want to enforce the restriction of M games to minors, than fine. Nothing past that. The ESRB's rating system should be sufficient that way it is now.
                        Last edited by orius; 11-03-2010, 12:55 AM.
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                          It's funny. "Killing....human figures" can and does include world war 2 games. those shootes seem to be A-O-Kay. but suppose somebody made a WW2 game where you played on the NAZI side. Suddenly, everyone has a hissy fit.

                          I'm not saying to go make a NAZI-centric WW2 game, or supporting the idea. I'm just trying to make a point.


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                            Re: Supreme Court looks at new game standards for Minors

                            Originally posted by orius View Post
                            Second, if the parents are that concerned, the need to learn about the goddamned ratings. That's why games have them in the first place. Don't complain if you had your head up your ass, and got a game for little Timmy that said M on the front and "Intense Violence" "Blood and Gore", "Strong Language", "Use of Drugs", and "Strong Sexual Content" on the back. That'd be like going to the video store, getting a cartoon for him to watch only to find out too late that it was a really violent hentai, and you ignored the PARENTAL ADVISORY label on the front like the braindead idiot that you are.
                            Problem is, all the smart parents don't need to speak up, all the dumb parents are the vocal minority.

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