God DOESN'T HATE LESBIANS!!

[Deeth Irteen]

let's see what the infamous Leviticus 20: 13 has to say...

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Notice how it says "man lies with a man" and so and so. I've looked through the entire chapter 20 of Leviticus (I call it 'The Sex Chapter'), and it doesn't say anything about women lying with women, only men. therefore, God must think it's okay for women to like women, since they're called "the fairer sex" and stuff.


Westbigot Bastard Church can stuff it!

[DK]

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But could god make two lesbians so big that even they couldn't eat librarians?

[Kire]

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God is a bro.

[peachy]

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Unmarried woman has sex -> adultery
Married woman has sex with a woman -> not her husband so adultery
Woman marries a woman -> not a husband so adultery

God knows

[Deeth Irteen]

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Unmarried woman has sex -> awesome
Married woman has sex with a woman -> not her husband so awesomeWoman marries a woman -> not a husband so awesome

Fixed

[Deeth Irteen]

Re: God DOESN'T HATE LESBIANS!!

Unmarried woman has sex -> awesome
Married woman has sex with a woman -> not her husband so awesome
Woman marries a woman -> not a husband so awesome

Fixed

[Dallas Alvis II]

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Romans 1:26-27 (it could also be 28, I can't remember. I had to look it up).

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet.

The most popular case tended toward men until around this time. I'm no Christian, but I do study different faiths from time to time. This is the only direct reference to lesbians that I am aware of. But its made clear here that he feels the same toward men and women equally regarding homosexuality. Again, I can't call myself a Christian or anything but an agnostic that reads perhaps too much. I'm just doing this to be fair, and be a party pooper and kill yet another topic. Yup, just doin' what I do best.

[Gustaff 13]

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Please realize that killing a topic does not equate winning an argument.

I'm in no way religious either, however:

Paul brands 'those who defile themselves with mankind' as criminals, along with thieves and murderers. These passages in the Epistles are the only three places where homosexuality is mentioned in the NT. Scholars consider these passages to be a reaction against Near Eastern Pagan, Hellenistic, and Roman society, which largely tolerated LGBT people and spirituality. Later, early Christian writers elaborated on Paul's themes. This led to centuries of persecution of LGBT people in Europe, often with concealed agendas related to political infighting or outright extortion.

(http://www.sacred-texts.com/lgbt/index.htm)

Paul was also kind of a crack pot. He was convinced Christ would return within his life time which is why he went on his missions to gain favor for himself and convert as many as possible.

[Dallas Alvis II]

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Please realize that killing a topic does not equate winning an argument

Please realize that I never suggested that I "won" anything or made any such allusions that killing a topic = winning. The killing topics thing is a crack at myself.

Paul was a crackpot? For believing in something that's mystical and impractical? Er...isn't that what religion is? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just asking you to clarify why you think he was kind of a crackpot. While I may or may not agree, I'm interested in your opinion.

[orius]

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Romans 1:26-27 (it could also be 28, I can't remember. I had to look it up).

That's that damn passage (well one of them) that's causing us so many problems right now with religious conservatives being dead set against gays. Got to love how Christians like to put Paul's bigoted trash on the same level of the Gospels.

Please realize that killing a topic does not equate winning an argument.

I'm in no way religious either, however:

Paul brands 'those who defile themselves with mankind' as criminals, along with thieves and murderers. These passages in the Epistles are the only three places where homosexuality is mentioned in the NT. Scholars consider these passages to be a reaction against Near Eastern Pagan, Hellenistic, and Roman society, which largely tolerated LGBT people and spirituality. Later, early Christian writers elaborated on Paul's themes. This led to centuries of persecution of LGBT people in Europe, often with concealed agendas related to political infighting or outright extortion.

(http://www.sacred-texts.com/lgbt/index.htm)

Paul was also kind of a crack pot. He was convinced Christ would return within his life time which is why he went on his missions to gain favor for himself and convert as many as possible.

That's probably true. Paul, like many other first-century Jews, had a lot of prejudice against Hellenistic and Roman society. For the most part, a lot of it was culture clash; the Jews were trying to preserve their way of life while being assimilated by the great empires of the ancient world: the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans. Much of the tension was between Jews and their Hellenized neighbors, Not surprising that Paul bashes on gays in this light. Nor should it be surprising that there's no mention of it in the Gospels since Jesus didn't make a habit of talking trash about the Romans; he didn't seem to be overly concerned about them at all.

As for Paul being a crackpot, well that view was pretty common among a lot of early Christians. There was a great deal of messianic fervor sweeping through Jewish society at the time, and the belief that Jesus would return, and lead his followers into a new golden age was part of that fervor. I'm not entirely sure what Paul's angle was, because he started out persecuting Christians, but then converted (and no, I do not believe in the miraculous roadside conversion that the Bible gives).

However, the fact is, given his writings, is that the man was a homophobic and misogynistic bigot. His writings are considered canon likely because he was very instrumental in the spread of early Christianity, being more comsopolitan than the apostles, yet they're not entirely compatible with the Gospels. Unfortunately given both their status as canon and the idea that Scriptures are divinely inspired, a good number of Christians see homosexuality as being sinful and I don't see that changing any time soon. The effect the whole debate is having on the Protestant sects in particular is the biggest source of this conflict; when some sects try to be more tolerant in light of the reality of homosexuality, it alienates some members who've spent their entire lives believing strongly that it's sinful. Many of these people then go to more conservative sects, and I think it's making those sects dig in their heels over the whole issue. Then throw in the martyrdom complex that tends to be encouraged in Christianity, and it gets worse, because they like to feel they're being persecuted, and that's hard when they're part of the majority religion.

[Dallas Alvis II]

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There is the logical explanation that I was looking for. But that is one of the passages, considering that homosexuality is targeted a few times in the bible as is, compared to other elements of focus. I'm fine with them believing what they want. Hell, I'm fine with them not wanting to marry gays if they don't want to. I don't think that the government shouldn't be able to tell them no, however.

And as I've said before...I am not Christian.

[Sampson]

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Has anyone ever met any "normal" lesbians?

I've met plenty of gay men who are completely normal and you would never know that they are gay. But every lesbian I've ever met is just...****ing weird.

[Valkysas]

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I know a "normal" lesbian.

"normal" as in she's as bat**** insane as my straight male and female friends tend to be.

[LunarWingCloud]

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God is a bro.

He must've read "The Bro Code". Smart man.

[American Hero]

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He didn't read it, he wrote it.