Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

[The_Real_Crunk]

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/01/im-n...frederick-says

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/02/verd...details-come-0

Im hoping the dude gets off. They send a freaking SWAT team in for one guy, who may or may not be growing marijuana based on shoddy evidence, and end up only getting a small bag of weed, a bong, and some lights and tubs. The dude says he is into gardening and grows bonsais trees and stuff and has his backyard set up for a garden.

I mean like what the hell. He says he had somebody break in a few days ago, so when he hears his dogs going nuts and sees some guy break through his hallway door in the dark he shot at whoever was there, and then walked out the front door and surrendered when he saw other cops running around outside.

Even though he didnt get the life sentence for murder, the voluntary manslaughter charge is BS. "The people decided he was not acting in self-defense but in the heat of passion" Yeah, whatever.

The sad thing is that even if he does get acquitted and makes it off with small charges, you can bet he will end up dead. Theres no way the other cops will let him be without ****ing with him. They think it was a disgrace he didnt get a life sentence.

edit-Durrrr, im stupid and these are from like last year. I need to find an update on it.

[DarkwingChuck]

Re: Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

Doesn't seem to have been anything of note happen since his sentencing. A myspace page set up to show support for him has was updated last month but just to post a new mailing address.

[The_Real_Crunk]

Re: Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

Heres another guy where the same thing happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye

An informant said the guy had tons of drugs, and lots of people comming and going, even though they never saw any drugs, or tried to buy any to show drugs where being sold. Cops kick in his door while hes asleep and he runs to his daughters bedroom with a gun to protect her not knowing who the hell it is, and shoots the cop when he kicks in the bedroom door.

They were going to execute the guy, then gave him a life sentence. Now I guess they are still trying to give him another court date.

[Kefka Jr.]

Re: Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

The main thing that bothers me is the whole kicking-down-the-door thing. I mean, if I were suspected of something, sure, suspect me or look at my suspicious way of life and make judgments about me, but, like, dude, that's my door. Don't BREAK it.

[Red Dragon]

Re: Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

You know, even if it was an actual break-in, you can still get manslaughter charges. So the fact that it was an officer makes this even worse. But really, you think that they could scope out the place a little better.

[DK]

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Well wait a second why didn't the cops identify themselves as they saw the guy? or was the victim totally taken by surprise.

Either way I dunno if shoot first ask questions later was the best way to handle it. Could I have done any better in the situation? I doubt it, but still.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

Re: Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

someone breaks down your door in the middle of the night, do you think your coherent enough to even register that the police are doing it? being alive is much better then being dead so if it looks like im in harms way then im going to use everything within my power to defend myself. if im caught by surprise as these guys where, then im going to most likely make an adrenaline elevated decision to use maximum force and save the chance that what i used would be inadequate and result in my death. the question should be did he reasonably set out to kill a police officer, or was he defending him property from a burglary?


the huge problem with these cases is that they are not examined. where are the stake outs, the evidence of criminal activity? no one should be allowed to blow open your door without evidence to back up the crimes. some bastard blabbing about your supposed criminal activity isnt good enough, you need proof first, not after. cops just seam to bust into these places with assault rifles and cause huge amounts of damage without any proof what so ever. that you cant sue them means they cant learn from serious errors or recoup costs for wrongful targeting.

i wish they would legalize weed, then we could use that money for something more worthwhile. all these drug busts do is make a mess and create dissent amongst the population.

[DarkwingChuck]

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I hope you never have a kid that tries to sneak in the house after curfew.

These guys should move to South Carolina. State law allows you to kill someone trespassing on your property. Even if it's someone you know, if they weren't welcomed onto your property you are fully within your rights to sue. Couple years ago a guy shot an electric company worker who was working on the telephone pole on his property. Even though they had informed him of the work and when they'd be coming he said he didn't give permission. Of course they didn't actually need his permission since the telephone pole is government property even though its on his private land. Anyway, he probably wouldn't have gotten away with that one but he was some kind of politician.

[Red Dragon]

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i wish they would legalize weed, then we could use that money for something more worthwhile. all these drug busts do is make a mess and create dissent amongst the population.

Of course, the same could be said of wishing people would just plain stop smoking weed.

But we know that's not gonna happen.

Right Bush?

[Hrafn]

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I hope you never have a kid that tries to sneak in the house after curfew.

These guys should move to South Carolina. State law allows you to kill someone trespassing on your property. Even if it's someone you know, if they weren't welcomed onto your property you are fully within your rights to sue. Couple years ago a guy shot an electric company worker who was working on the telephone pole on his property. Even though they had informed him of the work and when they'd be coming he said he didn't give permission. Of course they didn't actually need his permission since the telephone pole is government property even though its on his private land. Anyway, he probably wouldn't have gotten away with that one but he was some kind of politician.

Traditionally, kids who sneak in are not known for kicking down doors. That is the sort of thing that makes the exclamation point show up above the parents' heads.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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Traditionally, kids who sneak in are not known for kicking down doors. That is the sort of thing that makes the exclamation point show up above the parents' heads.

that is what i was going to opinion.

not booting down a door might make it more likely that the guy could hear them shouting that they where the police, not to mention take the panic out of the sudden disruption.

[The Toecutter]

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This is becoming more common in the U.S. Were the cops to do this to some of the residents residing where I used to live, it would be a huge blood bath... and it's only a matter of time before it does happen in a similar location.

Then again, if we have police resources available to devote to throwing people in jail for getting intoxicated on a substance of their choosing(and not this government's choosing), that means we are devoting too many resource to police and/or the police are being improperly used.

[IamPinhead]

Re: Defend you home, get 10 years of jail time~

This is becoming more common in the U.S. Were the cops to do this to some of the residents residing where I used to live, it would be a huge blood bath... and it's only a matter of time before it does happen in a similar location.

Then again, if we have police resources available to devote to throwing people in jail for getting intoxicated on a substance of their choosing(and not this government's choosing), that means we are devoting too many resource to police and/or the police are being improperly used.

....and my Toecutter trap worked! It's not just because they're high, it's because they're a danger to everybody around them, and the only reason they're using the drug is to get high. Of course, it's hard to be objective when you name a hangout "The Roach Palace," now isn't it?

[The Toecutter]

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....and my Toecutter trap worked! It's not just because they're high, it's because they're a danger to everybody around them, and the only reason they're using the drug is to get high.

When one is high, they are not a danger to everyone around them. And even were the argument to be true and were the argument a valid reason for their criminalization, it would also follows that the same applies to drunks, yet the drunks' intoxicant of choice is still 'legal'.

Whether someone choses to get high is their own choice, and they will do it regardless of what any law says. Not only does said law fail to stop the behavior, it makes such behavior profitable to perhaps the only bastion of a free market left in the U.S., the black market. Said law is fueling an escalating border was as we speak due to the profitability of drugs, made possible by their illegalization.

Further, the U.S. constitution does not list "prohibition" as part of the powers granted to any of the three branches of government; in fact, an amendment needed to be passed with regard to alcohol prohition for said prohibition to be valid and compatible with our constitution. Once the consequences of prohibition of alcohol became apparant, the admendment was repealed. Under the reign of FDR and his congress, it was decided to just ignore that document altogether(he wasn't the first to do so) when getting a bill that amounted to marijuana prohibition passed(Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, only stamps were never issued); such prohibition of cannabis has origins in industry lobbying to protect their market share and in racism, and had very little to do with protecting the American people(lest Reefer Madness were to be percieved as a documentary).

Of course, it's hard to be objective when you name a hangout "The Roach Palace," now isn't it?

What I chose to name my place of residence has nothing to do with this discussion or the validity of any arguments made.

[Cutter De Blanc]

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...It's not just because they're high, it's because they're a danger to everybody around them, and the only reason they're using the drug is to get high.

They're not a danger to everybody around them unless sudenly a bunch of mother****ers bust in through their door, shouting and pointing assualt rifles and throwing tear gas and killing dogs, and scaring babies and what have you.