Military Spending is great for the economy

[Sampson]

...and also for Iraqi civilians.

[Biggie]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

That is horrible on what happened in that video.

But please, don't use this as a ****ing segway to fuel your stupid arguement.

It's poeple like that **** me off, and give the military a bad name.

We do have something called the Laws of Armed Conflict, which these guys seemed to be breaking.

[Sampson]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

don't use this as a ****ing segway to fuel your stupid arguement.

The video speaks for itself.

[Valkysas]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

so does the low number of people responsible.

everyone in the military didnt do this.

everyone in the military doesnt do this.

[Biggie]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

I'm gonna look more into this, because all of this doesn't sound right.

If you listen to the video, they were identified having weapons. Whether it was a casualty or not is up in the air.

But I think I'd rather hear more sides of it than a one-sided youtube video before making a final judgement of it. And I think everyone else should too.

I'm not some hardcore patriot, but Sampson, you are really beginning to annoy the **** outta me. Always carrying your fifty pound arguements over topics you don't know **** about.

And bringing in a conspiracy theory to back up your arguement about military spending makes you look like a tard.

[Czechs Mex]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

But I think I'd rather hear more sides of it than a one-sided youtube video before making a final judgement of it. And I think everyone else should too.

Well said. A longer 20-minute video and the full, unedited 40-minute video can be found here. It's raw footage, so neither video has news reporters providing their side-commentary:

http://www.collateralmurder.com/

Edit: Well, there is still some side-commentary, but at least they show you all of the footage.

[American Hero]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

That is really horrible, I hope the people who did this are held responsible.

[Sampson]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

I'm not some hardcore patriot, but Sampson, you are really beginning to annoy the **** outta me. Always carrying your fifty pound arguements over topics you don't know **** about.

And bringing in a conspiracy theory to back up your arguement about military spending makes you look like a tard.

Lol.

Wanna quote my argument in this topic? All I posted was a youtube video. That's it.

[Biggie]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

Military Spending is great for the economy

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...and also for Iraqi civilians

:o

You are using a bias youtube video as fuel for your arguement you made in a different topic.

I really hate the media. If you watch the full video, it gives you alot more clarity.

From a distance, it looked like they were carrying weapons. When he was down in the corner, it seemed like he was holding an RPG-7.

That's the risk they were taking when entering a war zone. Everyone seems to forget that we are in a war, where casualties and human error DOES happen. And you're dumb to think that it doesn't.

[Sampson]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

Everyone seems to forget that we are in a war, where casualties and human error DOES happen. And you're an idiot to think that it doesn't.

I don't think anyone would dispute this.

But it raises the question of why are we engaged in the war in the first place? It would be like if I posted a video of a drunk driver crashing and killing some people and you said, "Well, you know, he was drunk driving and when you drunk drive **** happens."

Yeah. So why engage in the activity in the first place?

[Jehuty]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

so does the low number of people responsible.

everyone in the military didnt do this.

everyone in the military doesnt do this.

The actions of few, reflects upon the actions of many. That is how the military works. That is how the world works.

Its a sh!tstorm in the making, that's for sure.

[Biggie]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

hoooly ****. well first let me start by saying drunk driving is not at all comparable to rules of engagement.

why don't you go play in traffic at 2am in vegas, and see if anyone is surprised when you are mowed down by a drunk driver.

[Czechs Mex]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

Asking whether or not the U.S. should morally be in Iraq is a good question. Asking whether or not it is financially feasible for the U.S. to be in Iraq, given the costs and benefits, is also a good question.

It is a sad video to watch, no doubt about it. But I think this video only primes people to give an emotional, not necessarily logical, response to the first question, and doesn't tell us anything about the second question.

So I think you're getting these reactions to the topic, Sampson, because by naming the topic like you did, it was interpreted that you were trying to use this video as an emotional argument for the second question. Which is maybe not what you were going for, but that's how it could have been taken.

[Adrian Foley]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

I'm just watching the long video now, Biggie, I assume you have quite a few friends in the armed forces. Is it normal for people to be so... casual when they're killing other people? It just seems like they're joking, laughing a fair amount.

[Biggie]

Re: Military Spending is great for the economy

I'm sure when you're deployed for a year and a half at a time, doing convoys, or infantry and whatnot. You get desensitized to what's going on.

It's not like they were shooting them just for the fun of it. Or at least like the video Sampson posted made it look out to be.

I think the army made a few poor decisions. But it looked like they were carrying unlawful weapons in a warzone. They aren't just quick to shoot anyone on site. Show anyone that video without the prior knowledge, and everyone would assume they were carring AK's and RPG-7's.

But I'm not sure if it was even a better decision to shoot the van, but really though, that is a very tough decision to make, you have to determine what their intentions are.

And how are you really supposed to know children were in that van? Anyone in there right mind wouldn't drive to pick up a survivor in an area where an apache helicopter just gunned down with children in the vehicle.

It's very unfortunate on what happened to those poeple. But I think the lines are pretty grey in a situation like this.

In all reality they weren't safe at all being there. It's basically like hunting without safety orange, for lack of a better analogy.