fcc stops comcast and others bs.

[Vagrant]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/f...utrality-rules

Looks like the fcc is finally putting an end to the bs that comcast, verizon and at&t have been pulling over on the consumer. Now if only steps towards the bs data caps can be taken care of.

[hitogoroshi]

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The FCC are the good guys now?

[Vagrant]

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They actually have been doing a lot of good things lately. They are pursuing apple as to why the google voice app for the iphone was denied, making it so that the term "broadband" has a true definition (as it stands "broadband" is a pretty generic term that can vary in speeds and mislead customers as to how effecient it is with data) and now they are going after companies restricting internet use for consumers. So yeah, kinda good guys? Oh, not to mention they are pushing the nation wide wireless network issue hardcore. Lesser of two evils maybe?

[The Toecutter]

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Lesser of two evils maybe?

That's the best case scenario...

[Sampson]

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I'm sorry, this is just dumb.

The ISPs aren't discriminating now, when its perfectly legal for them to do so. So why do we need the FCC ensuring that they continue to do...what they already do? We don't.

The data caps also make sense--they keep costs down and speed up for the average internet user. If you eliminate the data caps, its just going to make service worse. The only people who will benefit will be those who bit torrent enormous files constantly.

I also find it interesting that the bill's sponsor, Congressman Markey, got the majority of his campaign contributions from Time Warner. Hmm...wonder if that has anything to do with this...

[Valkysas]

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The data caps also make sense--they keep costs down and speed up for the average internet user. If you eliminate the data caps, its just going to make service worse. The only people who will benefit will be those who bit torrent enormous files constantly.

Or the people who play games online, who legally download games and game demos online (you know, pretty much everyone who owns a PS3 or 360), people who use netflix instant watch, or frequent youtube and other video sites....

data caps are stupid.

bandwidth is cheap (I know this because I happen to own a server that I pay the bandwidth bills for). I doubt anyone's actual bandwidth costs approach even a fifth of their monthly internet bill.

caps are only implemented so the companies can get more money from the consumer, and not have to worry about keeping their networks up to speed.

[John Mora]

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Fiber optics, please~

[Alex]

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Net Neutrality is much more than Bandwidth Caps.

[Sampson]

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Or the people who play games online, who legally download games and game demos online (you know, pretty much everyone who owns a PS3 or 360), people who use netflix instant watch, or frequent youtube and other video sites....

data caps are stupid.

I lived in a house last year with six other 19-22 year old guys. Everyone had at least one computer, some two. We had an Xbox360 and a PS3 hooked up to the net. We all downloaded music, some of us movies, and most of us played games online. We all shared the same Comcast modem. And guess what? We never once went over the data cap.

The average person will never even come close to the data cap, even if they're a big gamer and stream movies. I have to say the cap is probably an issue for less than 1% of broadband users.

Further, the moment it became an issue the companies would be forced to raise the limit. In this area, there are three internet cable providers alone. That doesn't even include direct satelite internet, DSL, etc of which I have no idea how many I have access too. The second the cap became an issue, I'd switch providers in a nanosecond and so would everyone else.

bandwidth is cheap (I know this because I happen to own a server that I pay the bandwidth bills for). I doubt anyone's actual bandwidth costs approach even a fifth of their monthly internet bill.

caps are only implemented so the companies can get more money from the consumer, and not have to worry about keeping their networks up to speed.

I won't dispute you on the costs of bandwith, but since the government is mandating only limitless bandwith without placing any restrictions on minimum speed or maximum costs, the removal of the caps will only reduce speed and increase cost for the average user as the companies shift the costs of limitless bandwith to their customer.

And I watched that video Smurtle, he didn't really say anything of substance. Can you please tell me why we need net neutrality laws? Other than the bandwith limits, I love my ISP. I liked my last ISP. They were neutral without any government intervention. So what's the crisis here?

[Vagrant]

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The main issue is that they are limiting what programs/software users can allow access to the networks. I don't want some one telling me I can have gas but can't use it in a certain car. Im paying to get gas I want to drive my ****ing car where the **** I want to.

The issue with bandwidth caps is bull****. I lived in a house with my friend and his gf and we always had issues with data transfer speeds on comcast because they have a data cap and they will lower your speeds to try and keep you within the range they feel is comfortable. He played wow, she did youtube, I did hulu, music and videos. Its annoying when one day you have great speeds and then the next it takes 30 mins for a hulu movie to buffer properly and fully.

[JLaCroix]

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I'm sorry, this is just dumb.

The ISPs aren't discriminating now, when its perfectly legal for them to do so. So why do we need the FCC ensuring that they continue to do...what they already do? We don't.

The data caps also make sense--they keep costs down and speed up for the average internet user. If you eliminate the data caps, its just going to make service worse. The only people who will benefit will be those who bit torrent enormous files constantly.

I also find it interesting that the bill's sponsor, Congressman Markey, got the majority of his campaign contributions from Time Warner. Hmm...wonder if that has anything to do with this...

You really think they aren't discriminating now? Two years ago I had a Virgin Mobile prepaid cell phone. The internet provider at work blocked access to Virgin Mobile. They were a competitor to the ISP's cell phone service. My work was paying for my cell phone, so they had to call and complain to the ISP to give me access to the site to refill minutes. I don't remember who the ISP was, but I think it was Planet Access. (Don't quote me on that though, it's something obscure that's not Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or any of the other big-names).

I don't have a problem with the FCC protecting fair use on the Internet.

Or the people who play games online, who legally download games and game demos online (you know, pretty much everyone who owns a PS3 or 360), people who use netflix instant watch, or frequent youtube and other video sites....

data caps are stupid.

bandwidth is cheap (I know this because I happen to own a server that I pay the bandwidth bills for). I doubt anyone's actual bandwidth costs approach even a fifth of their monthly internet bill.

caps are only implemented so the companies can get more money from the consumer, and not have to worry about keeping their networks up to speed.

I agree. Bandwidth caps are not compatible with the way the industry is heading, which you already know. The internet is evolving and these people need to realize it.

Unfortunately, Comcast doesn't want you to download videos and things online, they want you to do that with their on demand service, it's no consequence to them. However, it will be if people start moving to a different company that offers unlimited access, which I predict will happen within two years.

[Stormy]

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The ISPs aren't discriminating now, when its perfectly legal for them to do so. So why do we need the FCC ensuring that they continue to do...what they already do? We don't.

That is an extremely naive point of view. Then what is the problem with making it law? If it won't change anything, then WHY DO YOU CARE?

The problem we have is that ISPs could discriminate whenever they so pleased, and that is wrong. Can you really blame us for wanting to make sure that we get to keep the rights we already have?

[JLaCroix]

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That is an extremely naive point of view. Then what is the problem with making it law? If it won't change anything, then WHY DO YOU CARE?

The problem we have is that ISPs could discriminate whenever they so pleased, and that is wrong. Can you really blame us for wanting to make sure that we get to keep the rights we already have?

I completely agree. I love the internet the way it is.

[Alex]

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Savetheinternet.com is much more than one video.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality

[Sampson]

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The main issue is that they are limiting what programs/software users can allow access to the networks. I don't want some one telling me I can have gas but can't use it in a certain car. Im paying to get gas I want to drive my ****ing car where the **** I want to.

The question I have here is, what is the problem?

Can you give me an example of a big name ISP blocking a particular website or service?

In the last three years I've had Comcast, ATT, and WoW. I've never once ran into a net neutrality issue.

You really think they aren't discriminating now? Two years ago I had a Virgin Mobile prepaid cell phone. The internet provider at work blocked access to Virgin Mobile. They were a competitor to the ISP's cell phone service. My work was paying for my cell phone, so they had to call and complain to the ISP to give me access to the site to refill minutes. I don't remember who the ISP was, but I think it was Planet Access. (Don't quote me on that though, it's something obscure that's not Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or any of the other big-names).

Can you give me an example of a mainstream ISP doing something like this? If you can give me an example of something relatively significant, then I'll change my mind.

That is an extremely naive point of view. Then what is the problem with making it law? If it won't change anything, then WHY DO YOU CARE?

The problem we have is that ISPs could discriminate whenever they so pleased, and that is wrong. Can you really blame us for wanting to make sure that we get to keep the rights we already have?

It's not simply making a law. You're inviting the FCC to regulate ISPs. I'm no fan of the FCC, and I don't think most people here should be either. Further, I don't want the government regulating the internet, even if they initially claim its for good.

Again, I invite you to give me a somewhat significant example of a mainstream ISP violating net neutrality. Then I'll change my mind.

Otherwise its all based on "ifs".