Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ???

[Catharsis]

Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ?

[Adrian Foley]

Re: Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ???

Lemme guess. Life is a figment of our imagination.
Blah blah, how can we judge what is real?

Does it matter?

[Catharsis]

Re: Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ???

Well I got to thinking why do we waste time sleeping when we could be half asleep all the time, but doing stuff?

[Ryner]

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And why drive when you can teleport?

[Perversion]

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Methinks you've watched Waking Life a FEW too many times, and took it WAAAAYYYYYY more seriously than it needed to be taken.

I'm gonna choose the "RPG" choice, as I've actually been thinking of a way to incorporate astral projection/entering another person's mind/lucid dreaming/temporal time travel, etc, in at least one of my RPGM games for about the past year. No joke. I just have not been able to fully work out exactly how I want it to work, and to what end. That, and I'm lazy and have no motivation.

[Jamos]

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Funny you should say that, Perv. I was once going to make a game for a younger audience about going into other peoples dreams and destroy nightmares. Then I realized that game has already been done so stuck my head in the oven. Now I'm in a permenant state of sleepwalking.

[Catharsis]

Re: Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ???

Methinks you've watched Waking Life a FEW too many times, and took it WAAAAYYYYYY more seriously than it needed to be taken.

I'm gonna choose the "RPG" choice, as I've actually been thinking of a way to incorporate astral projection/entering another person's mind/lucid dreaming/temporal time travel, etc, in at least one of my RPGM games for about the past year. No joke. I just have not been able to fully work out exactly how I want it to work, and to what end. That, and I'm lazy and have no motivation.

Well, if the you inside the dream can teleport to any time or place inside your dream then you could completely implode within yourself and live there meanwhile on the outside you'd either be sleeping beauty, posessed, controlled by your subconscious, or having imploded into yourself also physically creating a time paradox the likes of which could destroy the whole universe.

In short, lets turn on the LHC and find out.

[Perversion]

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The game idea I've been throwing around for the past few weeks DOES include a lot of that mentioned above, and involves a MAJOR time paradox that I'm still unsure how to portray. Meaning, in concept, it's a great idea, but I need to work out the logistics of it in order to have it "make sense."


And I'm not sure what you are talking about re: imploding. And I'm not sure if you are likening lucid dreaming to astral projection. Because I KNOW I've been REALLY REALLY close to being able to "leave" many, many times, but I've always held on instead of letting go, because I've been afraid of not being able to "find my way back."

And yeah, if you've not seen Waking Life, Raithlol, you need to do so, as it pretty much incorporates the entirety of your first post.

[Catharsis]

Re: Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ???

Hmm... I'll have to check it out.

Time is an illusion. It is relative to the motion of the observer! Unless you observe something, it isn't real, it is only a potential set of probabilities that are not resolved unless observed. At the subatomic layer all reality is non-local. At the most basic level of reality there is no separateness. Everything is connected to everything else.

It would seem a time paradox should be impossible. Lets say we build a time machine at some point and its the end of the universe, all the stars have burned out, and the travelers just decide to go back to an earlier time.

Then we'd have those travelers or their descendants living there until the same thing happened again.

So if time travel ever becomes possible all points of time should eventually be flooded with an infinite number of refugees from the future. lol

[John Mora]

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Well I got to thinking why do we waste time sleeping when we could be half asleep all the time, but doing stuff?

Because being half-asleep makes us really awful at doing things and our brain requires a complete overhaul every night in order to function in tip-top shape. It's not a waste. Try not sleeping for a few days straight and see how much of a waste it seems to you then.

[Xyster]

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Thinking about these things always makes my brain hurt because of the looping that it goes into. The if they did that, then that wouldn't have happened type thing.

In reality though, going back to avoid something like the end of the universe wouldn't make sense...I mean, the universe would still end and the decendants of whatever would have to deal with it again.

It would make more sense to go forward until new stars and systems were born...considering that this is all hypthetical anyway and we could do soemthing like that if that were the case.

Then again, when has anything really made sense to anyone? Or since when has humanity as a whole tried to do anything sensible?...blah blah blah >.>

Aditionally, if we don't get sleep our function deteriorates. It is possible to stustain for short times on a doze or half sleep, but it is no where near effective enough to sustain one. If someone tried to do that, then they'd constantly be in a half sleep state and couldn't techincally be considered living anymore because of the derteriorated mental and physical state.

[John Mora]

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WTF are you talking about imploding for, Catharsis?

[Jamos]

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Mora, you clearly forgot who you are talking to. Once you realize who it is, everything will make sense.

[Jehuty]

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Aren't they mutually exclusive? Lucid dreaming means the person is aware they are dreaming. Sleep walking is when a person is unaware of their actions/unconcious.

Regardless, Reality can be defined by the sum of experiences a person has, in which case it doesn't matter if it was fake. Well, to me at least.

Time machines, should they ever be created, can only take you as far back as to when the machine was originally created, i thought?

[Perversion]

Re: Sleepwalking + Lucid Dreaming = ???

"There is the theory of the Moebius, a twist in the fabric of space, where time becomes a loop."