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    The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

    I always thought Kingdom of Heaven was a really awesome film, and was always confused why the reviews were so negative and why everyone I talked to about it had a lukewarm opinion. I just saw it again on HBO and noticed a lot of stuff I remembered seemed to be missing, and fearing myself insane I did a little research.

    Apparently I somehow saw the Director's Cut that was released quickly after it came to video because Ridley Scott was ****** that the studio made him cut nearly an hour of story, remove a lot of the violence, and change the content of some scenes. The studio saw it as a summer action romp and didn't like the fact it had things like characterization.

    So, I guess I'm just urging anyone who didn't see the film/saw the ****ty version to check it out, it's seriously among Scott's best work.
    "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."
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    #2
    Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

    I dunno. I haven't liked Ridley Scott since Legend. I saw Kingdom of Heaven in theaters and thought it was just another self-indulgent period epic. That felt like it went on forever.

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      #3
      yeah the one shown in theaters had nearly an hour of footage cut out and everyones motivations were fuzzy and nothing really made sense and was pretty crappy in general.

      they cut an entire character out of the film, some subplots and back story, and etc fart

      Edit: Basically the studio saw the film as a summer action epic, even though that wasn't what had been made. It was marketed aa such and they tried to cut it into that mold.
      Last edited by Garr123; 07-10-2008, 10:30 AM.
      "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."

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        #4
        Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

        I've rarely seen a movie I haven't enjoyed become better the longer it was. I don't know that I care enough to see a movie I didn't like again.

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          #5
          Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

          well when the reason it's shorter is because they hack out most of the plot....

          no, you're right, no creative work could ever be improved by strengthening the story
          "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."

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            #6
            Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

            Well, look at that extended cut of Apocalypse Now. It really added nothing but a meandering French plantation scene. I'm just saying I haven't really seen very many examples of an extended cut improving a movie. Blade Runner might be the only one.

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              Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

              Pretty much everyone involved with Kingdom of Heaven hated the theatrical version and pushed for the Director's Cut to be released as soon as possible. It also received far better reviews than the theatrical version, which was pelted with offal.

              I'm lazy so from wikipedia's esteemed researchers:

              Scott and his crew have all stated that they consider the Director's Cut to be the true version of the film and the theatrical cut more of an action movie trailer for the real film. Reviewers have described it as the most substantial Director's Cut of all time[29] and a title to equal any of Scott's other works[30]
              Last edited by Garr123; 07-10-2008, 10:57 AM.
              "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."

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                #8
                Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                Other works like GLADIATOR and THELMA & LOUISE?

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                  #9
                  Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                  i dunno blade runner, black hawk down, alien, matchstick men

                  i dunno i thought gladiator was okay too

                  Seriously, when I saw the movie I thought it was one of his best films. I'm not promising it's going to instill in you ******ic joys beyond reckoning, just sayin' the directors cut my change your opinion.


                  If he ever gets off his ass and actually makes Blood Meridian that will probably be his best film, though.
                  Last edited by Garr123; 07-10-2008, 11:24 AM.
                  "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."

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                    Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                    Originally posted by Garr123 View Post
                    i dunno blade runner, black hawk down, alien, matchstick men
                    I dunno about those~ \:3

                    I'll give this movie a try I guess we already own it

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                      #11
                      Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                      wait you own the extended director's cut
                      "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."

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                        #12
                        Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                        I believe so. On Blu-Ray. I'd have to double-check.

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                          #13
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                          Magus had a similar reaction to the director's cut. Maybe in the future, someday, someone will come to me with a copy of the DVD and be like, "Here, I want you to have this," and then I'll say, "Okay."

                          When I saw it in theaters, it mostly just seemed like one of those "make speeches and fight" movies, and I was like, "Okay. This is nominal." I thought it LOOKED really good, though.
                          Last edited by Kefka Jr.; 07-10-2008, 12:30 PM.

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                            #14
                            Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                            Everything Garr says is right and true and he is now my new favorite.

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                              #15
                              Re: The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut rules.

                              If he ever gets off his ass and actually makes Blood Meridian that will probably be his best film, though.
                              seriously saying this again he needs to do this.

                              Originally posted by Blood Meridian
                              Oh my god, said the sergeant.
                              A rattling drove of arrows passed through the company and men tottered and dropped from their mounts. Horses rearing and plunging and the mongol hordes swung up along their flanks and turned and rode full upon them with lances.
                              The company was now come to a halt and the first shots were fired and the gray riflesmoke rolled through the dust as the lancers breached their ranks. The kid's horse sank beneath him with a long pneumatic sigh. He had already fired his rifle and now he sat on the ground and fumbled with his shotpouch. A man near him lay with an arrow hanging out of his neck. He was bent slightly as if in prayer. The kid would have reached for the bloody hoop-iron point but then he saw that the man wore another arrow in his breast to the fletching and he was dead. Everywhere there were horses down and men scrambling and he saw a man charging his rifle while blood ran from his ears and he saw men with their revolvers disassembled trying to fit the spare loaded cylinders they carried and he saw men kneeling who tilted and clasped their shadows on the ground and he saw men lanced and caught up by the hair and scalped standing and he saw horses of war trample down the fallen and a little whitefaced pony with one clouded eye leaned out of the murk and snapped at him like a dog. Among the wounded some seemed dumb and without understanding and some were pale through the masks of dust and some had fouled themselves or tottered brokenly onto the spears of the savages. Now driving in a wild frieze of headlong horses with eyes walled and teeth cropped and naked riders with clusters of arrows clenched in their jaws and their shields winking in the dust and up the far side of the ruined ranks in a piping of boneflutes and dropping down off the sides of their mounts with one heel hung in the withers strap and their short bows flexing beneath the outstretched necks of the ponies until they had circled the company and cut their ranks in two and then rising up again like funhouse figures, some with nightmare faces painted on their breasts, riding down the unhorsed Saxons and spearing and clubbing them and leaping from their mounts with knives and running about on the ground with a peculiar bandylegged trot like creatures driven to alien forms of locomotion and stripping the clothes from the dead and seizing them up by the hair and passing their blades about the skulls of the living and the dead alike and snatching aloft the bloody wigs and hacking and chopping at the naked bodies, ripping off limbs, heads, gutting the strange white torsos and holding up great handfuls of viscera, genitals, some of the savages so slathered up with gore they might have rolled in it like dogs and some who fell upon the dying and the sodomized them with loud cries to their fellows. And now the horses of the dead came pounding out of the smoke and dust and circled with flapping leather and wild manes and eyes whited with fear like the eyes of the blind and some were feathered with arrows and some lanced through and stumbling and vomiting blood as they wheeled across the killing ground and clattered from sight again. Dust stanched the wet and naked heads of the scalped who with the fringe of hair below the wounds and tonsured to the bone now lay like maimed and naked monks in the bloodslaked dust and everywhere the dying groaned and gibbered and the horses lay screaming.
                              he says its too violent and savage to actually make into a film, pffffttt
                              Last edited by Garr123; 07-10-2008, 06:18 PM.
                              "At first it just looked like a picture of a bunch of lily pads, but then I started scraping at it with my pocket knife and the whole painting just sort of spoke to me," Schmidt said. "For the first time, I finally understand what Monet was trying to get across in her work."

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