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    I'm respecting Sony more and more each day-Linger in Shadows as a supporting argument

    I know there was a discussion a while back that I initiated about Sony targeting the "niche market" gamer with the PS3 and a discussion of what being a hardcore gamer meant, but I'd like to reiterate that to some extent.

    I just saw this, which is a "game" called Linger In-Shadow, and, I'm sorry. This just further cements in my mind that Sony is going for a completely different thing with their Playstation Store offerings than what Microsoft is doing with XBLA. I'll grant you, I'm glad I have both systems, because both offer downloadable games that are right up my alley (Rez, E4, Ikaruga, Lumines Live, Space Giraffe, etc, on XBLA; Everyday Shooter, Pixel Junk Monsters, flOw, Echochrome, etc, from the Playstation Store). But Sony, for some reason, seems to be making a conscious effort to consistently release games (or, in a lot of cases, "non-games") that seem to skew FAR to the left of the mainstream gamer. Everyone always praises (or, as one deleted emote references, belittles) Nintendo for "innovation," whatever that is. But I'm thinking that before too long, Sony will have to be praised for the same, but in this case, the quotation marks I've placed around the word "innovation" can safely be removed, as it seems they truly ARE innovating.

    Sure, the Wii pulled non gamers and "casual" gamers into the fold, but with Sony's downloadable offerings, they seem deadset on releasing as many games as they can that truly challenge one's concept of exactly what a game is, and what it's capable of doing. Sure, the Wii implemented "innovative" control, but to the effect of every publisher and its brother releasing heap after heap of shovelware, just because they knew/know that naive gamers would eat it up. Excepting perhaps Lair, and its "innovative" use of the Sixaxis controller, Sony seems, with its downloadable offerings, to use its exclusive peripherals as something more than a gimmick. See flOw and the Loco Roco remake for examples of using the Sixaxis effectively, and Eye of Judgment and the numerous "interactive art" offerings doing the same for the Playstation Eye. Contrast this with the type and quality of the games that incorporated or required the EyeToy last gen on the PS2.

    I guess I just find it interesting that, Sony obviously has a desire to make money, and to do this, they need to sell more consoles (well, that's assuming every console sold is still not a loss for them...I've not read up on the profitability of the console lately), which, in turn, SHOULD earn them more money on their licensing rights (this is, of course, where the REAL money comes from), assuming everyone is not just buying them as a top-rated Blu-Ray player (well, Sony makes money on Blu-Ray sales, too, but attach rate is still the most important factor). Yet, by positioning their console as bleeding-edge, and then populating it with SO MANY esoteric games, what type of message is this sending?

    To boil it down, to me, it's the message that if you want to play prettied-up versions of last gen's games, buy a 360. If you want to play games that inherently revolve around a gimmick (but are too naive to see it as such), buy a Wii. But if you want a TRULY next-gen experience (inclusive of input mechanics, gameplay, social interaction (Home), and user-generated content (LittleBigPlanet)), the PS3 IS the system to own.



    I was on the phone with one of the Sony tech support guys once, and I told him that he probably didn't really care, but I felt compelled to tell him how I despised the PS1 (I was always a Nintendo fan), how I disliked the PS2 (and only bought it late in its lifecycle, mainly to play the Nippon Ichi games, and RPGM), and how I once again despised the PS3 before and upon initial release. Then I bought the system, and immediately fell in love with it, relegating my 360 to being a machine that allowed me to play Rock Band on occasion. He laughed, and told me that I had embraced the dark side.

    The dark side indeed. If the PS3 is indicative of the future of the gaming industry, let me forever be enveloped in shadows.
    Last edited by Perversion; 10-19-2008, 02:35 AM.

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      I respect Sony for going forward and making recorded in game footage straight from the ps3 to YouTube...well that's what I saw on a short news segment on G4.

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        I respect their business plan, but... this doesn't really look entertaining to me.

        And I had quite an opposite experience with a Sony tech support guy. I was complaining about how it wouldn't play certain Blu-Rays correctly and then told me that there was an option in the Blu-Ray settings that was broken. I asked if it was a known problem to Sony and he said yes. I asked if it was ever going to be fixed and he said probably not.

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          Whats with all the Wii hate from you? Theres quite a few people here that owns Wii, I guess you're calling us naive also?

          Im sorry, everytime you bring up a video game console you have to push your hate for the Wii out, even when its not needed...calling Wii owners naive in a topic where it wasnt even needed is IMO going a bit over the edge...just because we like something that doesnt sit at par graphics and performance wise with the other 2 systems doesnt mean we're naive, it just means we have different tastes then you, no reason to go into childish namecalling.

          Here I come Pav, like the Kool-Aid man barging into a funeral! Oh yeah!

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            I like that Sony is constantly adding functionality (with the exception of BC) to PS3 and PSP. But games wise I find the PS3 disappointing. Especially PSN. There are tons of games I want on Live Arcade, Virtual Console, and already a handful on WiiWare but there's only a couple PSN games that interest me and some PS1 games that I missed. But it wouldn't be too difficult to track those down on eBay probably. As far as retail PS3 games, MGS4 and LBP are still the only standout exclusives for me. There are a few others I'd want to play (Uncharted, Heavenly Sword) but it's no big deal if I never do. And there's still a tendency for the multiplatform titles to have issues on PS3.
            Last edited by DarkwingChuck; 05-20-2008, 11:43 AM.
            I want that Mulan McNugget sauce, Morty!

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              I like how Sony isn't starting to screw up now
              Screenshot Let's Plays

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                Yeah. They're finally done screwing up.
                I want that Mulan McNugget sauce, Morty!

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                  So far, none of the PSN games have interested me enough to throw any money at them, and I dont see it changing. honestly, I wouldnt even download demos of most of their PSN games. Of course, if I had a 360, I wouldnt get any Live Arcade games either for the same reason.

                  but cheers to the people who like the PSN games they're putting out.

                  I have a feeling most of this new approach has to do with the PS3's massive failure so early on. It caused Sony to totally change their approach with the system. They were focusing on the multimedia aspects over the games (They did the same with the PSP for a very long time as well, even resulting in two of their online information videos for the PSP not even mentioning that it plays games). They were confident it would sell based on the playstation name alone. they thought people would buy the system even if it had no games (They said so). They were wrong, they were crushed, and it was ****ing hilarious.

                  and it needed to happen. This was my hope from the beginning with the PS3. Sony got too damn confident and needed their system to fail in order to teach them a lesson, just like Nintendo did a few years ago.

                  Now we have a refocused Sony, who realizes that they have to earn their userbase. it's not just gonna come to them because they're ****ing Sony. They're putting games first for the PS3, like they should have from day one. They're thinking of new ways to enhance games on their systems (the youtube thing is a brilliant move) and thats definately going to help get people's attention and make them feel good about their console purchase.

                  that being said, there's still a huge pile of problems with Sony. a lot of these problems have to do with PSN and business-side stuff that I've found out by talking to people in different game companies (not agetec, in other words), and its not stuff I can talk about in public. I will say though, that these problems are big enough for me to still have no respect at all for Sony, and if it wasnt for MGS4 and needing a PS3 for game conversions here at the pav, I still would not own or want a PS3.

                  They're getting better, much better, but they arent where they need to be yet.
                  Last edited by Valkysas; 05-20-2008, 01:51 PM.



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                    This Linger In-Shadow thing doesn't look all that entertaining. Pretty and artistic, sure, but I don't see the need for people to get this.

                    Until there's a reason to own a PS3 other than "Hey, look at my $400 gigantic black thing that's better than all of yours (aka penis envy)", I'm going to be just dandy playing with my gimmicky gamecubeX2 and M$ 360.
                    Last edited by Denmo; 05-20-2008, 02:57 PM.
                    ...and that's why.

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                      What turned me off was the part with all the faces. Like, I don't wanna look at you. I'm certainly not going to PAY to look at you.

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                        I have a Wii and a brand spanking new PC coming in any day now.

                        I have yet to find a reason to get a PS3 or 360.

                        , Sony seems, with its downloadable offerings, to use its exclusive peripherals as something more than a gimmick. See flOw and the Loco Roco remake for examples of using the Sixaxis effectively
                        Didn't Sony conclude that Sixaxis was a failure and got rid of it?

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                          Well, they concluded that not including rumble was a failure. So they added rumble for the Dual Shock 3. I don't believe they got rid of the SIXAXIS technology. |:3

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                            If you want to play games that inherently revolve around a gimmick (but are too naive to see it as such), buy a Wii. But if you want a TRULY next-gen experience (inclusive of input mechanics, gameplay, social interaction (Home), and user-generated content (LittleBigPlanet)), the PS3 IS the system to own.
                            I really cannot ignore this any more.

                            Who the hell are you to define what a "next gen" experience is? If the Wii's remote is to be dismissed as a "gimmick" then so are the sixaxis and eyetoy. as for user generated content? The Wii has been catering to it for longer (launch day with elebits) and more games for the Wii support it.

                            all three consoles are next gen. and TRULY next gen. you just arent considering that each of the three companies has a different idea of where the future of gaming is headed.

                            the 360 is a more "standard" game console, but Xbox Live is very innovative, user friendly, and changing the way everyone looks at online games. Not to mention it makes both Nintendo and Sony's offerings look like **** in comparison. Microsoft has decided that the future of games is online. the 360 was created around that.

                            The Wii gives users new ways to interact with their games through the best motion control tech on the market, and they're expanding the video game market to try and cater to everyone, which is where nintendo believes the future of gaming is headed. On the games that use it right, the Wii remote is the easiest way for people to interact with video games. people who have been scared away by complex controllers in the past have no problem understanding it.

                            Meanwhile, the PS3, the system that you have declared to be the "TRULY next-gen" experience, offers pretty much the same stuff we saw last gen, with no real additions. eyetoy is old tech. it was on the PS2. They're just making better use of it now. sixaxis is badly made, over-sensitive, and the shape of the controller makes tilting it in different directions uncomfortable, not to mention not one retail game has made proper use of the damn thing yet. there's no software that could ONLY exist on the PS3. Littlebigplanet doesnt use any PS3-exclusive tech, no games on the system do. even the eyetoy games could run on the PS2. FlOw? that's a flash game.

                            Yes, the PS3 is a good, solid system. it's got a decent library built up and some great exclusives on the way. but saying that it excels with "(inclusive of input mechanics, gameplay, social interaction (Home), and user-generated content (LittleBigPlanet)" just shows you how uninformed you are about the other systems on the market, as the PS3 does all of those either just the same as it's competitors, or worse.
                            Last edited by Valkysas; 05-20-2008, 03:20 PM.



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                              Originally posted by John Mora View Post
                              Well, they concluded that not including rumble was a failure. So they added rumble for the Dual Shock 3. I don't believe they got rid of the SIXAXIS technology. |:3
                              I could have sworn they did...

                              Whatever.

                              the 360 is a more "standard" game console, but Xbox Live is very innovative, user friendly, and changing the way everyone looks at online games. Not to mention it makes both Nintendo and Sony's offerings look like **** in comparison. Microsoft has decided that the future of games is online. the 360 was created around that.
                              I want to say this sounds exactly like the PC gaming market. But then it's Microsoft, so it kinda makes sence.

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