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    Dont' Ask, Don't Tell...

    Well, telling is okay, maybe, sometimes, if there's a war on or something.


    By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press Writer
    Wed Jan 9, 4:03 AM ET


    WASHINGTON - Even if no one is asking, Army Sgt. Darren Manzella has been telling anyone who'll listen that he's gay — without serious retribution so far from the military. Manzella, a medic who served in Iraq and Kuwait, has acknowledged his sexual orientation in national media interviews and again on Tuesday in a Washington news conference.


    "This is who I am. This is my life," said Manzella, who received a combat medical badge for his service in Iraq. "It has never affected my job performance before. I don't think it will make a difference now. And to be honest since then, I don't see a difference because of my homosexuality."

    Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said Manzella's case demonstrates the military is arbitrarily enforcing its "don't ask, don't tell" policy now that the country is at war.

    The "don't ask, don't tell" policy prohibits active-duty service members from openly acknowledging whether they are gay or lesbian.

    Manzella still could be investigated now that he has left the battlefield. Every time he has said he is gay publicly can be counted as a violation of the policy, one of his attorneys said.

    Manzella first told a military supervisor about his sexual orientation in August 2006 while he was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas, and working in division headquarters. Three weeks after Manzella made the revelation, his battalion commander told him an investigation had been closed without finding "proof of homosexuality."

    A month later, Manzella was redeployed for the war in Iraq.

    Paul Boyce Jr., an Army spokesman, said he was unaware of an investigation of Manzella being opened or closed. He said the investigation would have been done by Manzella's Fort Hood unit, and officials there are on leave and unavailable to discuss the case.

    "This particular soldier's unit only recently returned from the war to Fort Hood, Texas, so it's premature to speculate on any future actions until the young man's situation can be considered by his chain of command," Boyce said in a statement.

    Manzella, originally from Portland, N.Y., returned from the Middle East last month and went on leave shortly before Christmas. He will return to the 1st Cavalry Division at Ford Hood at the end of the month.

    A bill to eliminate the military's sexual orientation policy, filed by Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., is pending in Congress. Sarvis said the bill is unlikely to get out of committee during this election year, but hearings could be held.

    Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, said Manzella's commanders should have discharged him when they learned he was gay. Her group opposes allowing gays to join the military.
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    Last edited by Shard; 01-09-2008, 03:24 PM.
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    Yeah, this was on 60 Minutes.

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      Neet!

      btw, I know quite a few queers in the military. There's a reason there's that Navy stereotype.
      Last edited by Kire; 01-09-2008, 03:32 PM.

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        i cant wait till the military does away with these archaic policies. it amazing me that there is still so much discrimination in the 21st century, just shows how stubborn humanity can be.

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          Originally posted by Karr Lord of Chaos View Post
          i cant wait till the military does away with these archaic policies. it amazing me that there is still so much discrimination in the 21st century, just shows how stubborn humanity can be.
          Its not discrimination, if you have someone who is gay in a battalion taking showers with everyone else, it could offend the straight people and possibly result in beatings or anything else since most Navy guys for some reason think theyre gods greatest gift and dont want to be known as "eye candy" to another guy

          Its wrong for the military to have this policy but then again it helps job performance greatly since everyone can focus on killing people instead of "Is he looking at my butt?"

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            I think if people were shooting at me, someone looking at my booty would be the last thing on my mind.

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              I dunno JPS, I would feel more comfortable in the battlefield if someone was out to protect me because they thought I had a nice ass, over protecting me over duty. Think about it.
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                Originally posted by Jamos View Post
                I dunno JPS, I would feel more comfortable in the battlefield if someone was out to protect me because they thought I had a nice ass, over protecting me over duty. Think about it.
                hmm...you gotta point there

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                  Originally posted by JPS View Post
                  Its not discrimination, if you have someone who is gay in a battalion taking showers with everyone else, it could offend the straight people and possibly result in beatings or anything else since most Navy guys for some reason think theyre gods greatest gift and dont want to be known as "eye candy" to another guy

                  Its wrong for the military to have this policy but then again it helps job performance greatly since everyone can focus on killing people instead of "Is he looking at my butt?"
                  its only offensive to people because they do not understand gay people, or are frightened of them because of the garbage they are taught/stereotypes perceived.

                  why should you be investigated for being gay? just because a bunch of people are ignorant of different sexual orientations and are homophobic? sounds like discrimination to me.

                  people should be teaching the truth about gay people rather then hiding behind outdated beliefs. sadly religion would bock at that, wishing to keep divides and intolerant ideals.

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                    Do you thing men and women should shower together, and use the same bathrooms?
                    Last edited by Seraph; 01-09-2008, 04:07 PM.

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                      Originally posted by Seraphim View Post
                      Do you thing men and women should shower together, and use the same bathrooms?
                      i think everyone should shower separately, and one single bathroom is alright as far as im concerned. the only problem with the bathroom is that people are sick and perverted, so single bathrooms that allow one person in at a time would be my pick. are you purposing segregated washrooms for gay people? why dont we go back 50 years and segregate it another way?

                      just because your gay doesnt mean your hot and horny for everyone of the same sex as you. i dont feel at all uncomfortable around anyone with different sexual orientation unless they put it right out there like some people do. i also tend to flinch when a strait couple are snogging in public.

                      that old dont bend over to pick up the soap is outdated and totally false. how people conduct themselves is not based on their sexual orientation, but on their own personal beliefs, morals, and behaviors. your more apt to see a strait guy follow that sexual attack belief then you are to see a gay man follow it.

                      edit: i dont want to derail this topic further then it already has so ill stop with this now. i support gay rights vehemently, thats all that really needs to be said.
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                        Not that there's anything WRONG with that...

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                          Just because you're strait doesn't mean you're hot and horny for everyone of the opposite sex. Yet we still make separate facilities for either sex. I'm not anti-gay rights, I'm just debating.

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                            Originally posted by Seraphim View Post
                            Just because you're strait doesn't mean you're hot and horny for everyone of the opposite sex. Yet we still make separate facilities for either sex. I'm not anti-gay rights, I'm just debating.
                            warning, incoming rant.

                            the stigma is probably made by religious influence. religion decided for itself that humans where incapable of behaving and decided segregation was the best answer. perhaps we just accepted that view and grew to fill it, maybe we are still believing in the tradition portion of the belief, perhaps we have decided for ourselves that this best for our society?

                            its important to challenge everything we hear, everything we know. growth is made through friction, made by people who choose to ask the great question of "why?" do we choose to believe gay people are this scary enigma just because someone tells us they are? or do we ask questions to find out the veracity of the belief?

                            much of our society is based on past tradition. often times we have molded ourselves to fit to societies' traditions and stigmas rather then rationally deciding for ourselves what should be passed on and what should be discarded. religion is part of this problem, as its preachers are unchanging with current times, preaching philosophies based in past tradition.

                            this could be the natural stubborn nature of humanity, the unwillingness to change or move out of your comfort. yet even still its the biggest roadblock to defeating intolerance. we know that sexual orientation is more of a chemical thing rather then choice, so why are they still being treated like its some evil choice? its the very same reason why blacks and other ethnic minorities are still racially profiled; intolerance based on the refusal to see the truth, fear of the unknown, and stubborn adhearance to past, outdated ideals.

                            sorry, i just had to get that off my chest.

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                              Originally posted by Jamos View Post
                              I dunno JPS, I would feel more comfortable in the battlefield if someone was out to protect me because they thought I had a nice ass, over protecting me over duty. Think about it.
                              I agree. Think about it. Who do you think is more likely to risk their life to protect you, the guy who just wants to get home to his wife and kids or the guy who wants to give you a reason to be really grateful?
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