Vegan Parents Starve Newborn, Get Convicted of Murder

[Patryn]

Vegan may be an acceptable lifestyle for adults who can eat a wide variety of things, but not for a baby.

[Crimson Knight]

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The vegan lifestyle had nothing to do with the baby's death, the diet was what killed it, which in even an adult's case, would've eventually resulted in death without proper nutrition.

I don't think even a self respecting vegan would bother to live solely on soy milk and apple juice.

Then again, there could've been other causes, since such a diet being solely responsible wouldn't make complete sense.

[John Mora]

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It might if you understood the nutritional needs of infants.

[Alex]

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"You accidentally killed your baby, oh, and you get life in prison for it."

I'd just kill myself.

[Funk]

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Just further proof that humans are MEANT to eat meat.

[Patryn]

Re: Vegan Parents Starve Newborn, Get Convicted of Murder

The vegan lifestyle had nothing to do with the baby's death, the diet was what killed it, which in even an adult's case, would've eventually resulted in death without proper nutrition.

I don't think even a self respecting vegan would bother to live solely on soy milk and apple juice.

Then again, there could've been other causes, since such a diet being solely responsible wouldn't make complete sense.

A.)The vegan lifestyle is all about what you eat, the baby died of malnutrition and starvation, eating properly prevents starvation, hence the vegan lifestyle killed the baby. A = B = C = D.

B.)Given that the six-week old baby only weighed 3 1/2 pounds, odds are that it was the diet, which is EXTREMELY important to a newborn, was responsible.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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justice served, ignorant people have no right to bare childeren. how could you not know your baby was dieing, clearly anyone knows that a 3 1/2 pound baby isnt healthy and ya should see a doctor.

so many people people pretending to be "special" by not eating meat or animal products. if these people would acualy research their choices they would see just how to properly go about them rather then make choices they feel is correct.

its just like that case in canada where those idiot parents refused a blood transfusion for their child who needed one to live based on their religion. the goverment thankfuly steped in and gave them the finger, but they are sueing becuase their baby survived, but got a blood transfusion. id love to see them whining in jail when their baby died for their bs.

health has no religion, its a human priority under every law of wellfare and wellbeing. you fail to provide the nessesities of life to your childeren and you will go to jail, bar none.

[Wavelength]

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justice served, ignorant people have no right to bare childeren.

I agree that ignorant people have no right to bear children. I feel that (if legal), that should be the punishment. They should both be able to avoid jail time by becoming sterilized.

Even if this warrants jail time (I'd personally say House Arrest or sterilization), it should only be a few years' worth. The parents will either learn their lesson, or they won't. No one gains anything by sticking them in prison forever: the perpetrators, in this case, were the victims. I'm sure they loved their child, and now they lost him.

I really can't see how this can be construed as malice murder. From the details in the article it seems like straight-up Criminal Negligence. A murder charge here is even more frivolous than the $650 million laundry lawsuit, seriously.

Whether or not justice is being served, it's extremely sad that a baby who might have had a great, meaningful, life in this world had to die because of such ignorance. No one wants that to happen.

[Dusk Raven]

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You're right. I'm sure they didn't mean for their child to die. This is probabbly pretty painful for, probabbly made even more painful by the fact that it was their own beliefs that killed their child. There isn't much the legal system could do to compare to that.

If they really did just feed him that stuff, that means he wasn't even breastfed. Not having meat is fine. Not having cow milk is fine. But... they're really stretching it.

[Sejon]

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I blame supermodels, for making babies envy their thin frames.

[Karr Lord of Chaos]

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i disagree with the comment about this not being a jail sentence. the criminal code clearly lays out that failing to provide the nessesities of life to your child is a crimanal offence, that being the single root cause of the death of your child is homicide. if i kill someone and use the excuse "i didnt know it was a crime," or "i didnt relize that my actions would kill him," i would still be charged because irreguardless of my personal beleif the law is based on reality. this is why theirs different degrees of criminal intent, also why they have mental insanity plees. ignorance is no deffence.

in this case where the signs are so flagrantly visable, their can be no other choice but to charge them with murder. how in all of gods green earth can you look at your child, who at 6 months is at a weight level so apaulingly low that any sane person would be hammering the doctor to find out what is wrong with the bady. maybe they are poor you say, even so if your baby is dieing you will find a way to get him looked at.

no religion on the face of the earth can ligitimitly defend these parents actions. their baby was very clearly in serious jepordy, they choose to ignore these signs and put the baby through 6 months of starvation, 6 months of pain and needless suffering. at ANY time during those 6 months they could of seeked profesional help at any doctor, and i can garentee that the baby would of been rushed to emergency immidatly - starvation is not a quick happening event, it takes time, especialy when the deficientcy is over an exstended piriod of time. becuase these people failed to take care of their child, failed to use common sense, due diligence, or any ounce of capable fuction they are guilty of murder, child abuse causing death.

their is no difference here between parents who abuse their childeren and end up killing them, and these people - both causes death, both had the choice to do something about it at any step of the way, both ignored rational mentality of any human being especialy a parent, and both will go to jail.

insanity is the only plee possible here. they will have 25 years to think about how horrid they are, murdering their own child and doing NOTHING!

[Syvarius]

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Glad to see people actually read what I post.

Terr must have the patience of a saint to bother informing you people on matters as much as he does.

[Kirin]

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This woman was so Vegan she couldn't even feed her kid her own breast milk? Geez.

I can feel sorry for them if they fed their child this diet with the best of intentions, but if they did it just to prove the strength of adherence to a particular diet, then that's a different story.

Still, I can't help but worry when adults make their children suffer because of a particular personal belief. While I can respect someone's lifestyle decision, I don't think it's fair to force children to adhere to that lifestyle when it could pose as a serious threat to their welfare (i.e. refusing immunizations, blood transfusions, organ donations, dietary needs, etc.) .

[Syvarius]

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Vegan includes breast milk.
Thinking otherwise may be what caused this incident.

[Wavelength]

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their is no difference here between parents who abuse their childeren and end up killing them, and these people - both causes death, both had the choice to do something about it at any step of the way, both ignored rational mentality of any human being especialy a parent, and both will go to jail.

Your argument is on really dicey ground here--it's like asserting that slitting one's own wrists for catharsis is the equivalent of fasting for Ramadan. I'd tend to argue against that, although it could go either way.

However, either way, there IS a difference between what these parents did, and someone who walks into a 7-11, plugs the clerk, and makes off with the money. Sometimes they get less than 25 years in prison. There was no malice here. There was no intent here. The parents clearly (from what I understand) didn't want to inflict significant harm on their child.

Ignorance is certainly no excuse. But if the cause truly was simple ignorance, then what reason do we have to put the people in jail? Would that make anyone happy?