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    Are computers THAT scary?

    OK, so I was in my discrete math class tonight, and we were beginning to go over algorithms. This was my area: algorithms are all you deal with in programming. KEY NOTE: Everyone else in my class is a math major; I'm the only computer science major. Everything was going fine: the teacher explained how to break down a simple process like finding the maximum number in a series using simple English. It looked a little something like this:

    S: {0,4,5,1,2,8,6}

    1. Look at the first number in the series. This is the current maximum number.
    2. Look at the next number in the series. If this number is greater than the maximum number, then this number is now the maximum number.
    3. Repeat step two until you reach the end of the series.

    Simple, duh. Then we progressed to doing the same steps, only this time with pseudocode. It now evolved into something like this:

    max {a(1),a(2).....a(n)}
    max = a(1)
    for i=2 to n
    {
    if max < a(i)
    then max = a(i)
    }

    The teacher explained each line in this pseudocode perfectly, and the class nodded their heads accordingly. It made sense to everyone, and the teacher even asked if they had questions about it. There weren't any. But then the teacher said that this was similiar to code used to program computers, and I heard a collective 'click' in the minds of everyone's brains in the class except mine. All of a sudden this no longer made sense, and the whole class was complaining that it was too difficult to understand and questioned even the most simple aspects of the pseudocode! The was weird since a few seconds earlier they took it right in. The teacher reassured the class that they could explain algorithms in English on the homework. I asked if I could explain it in C++. He said I could because he knew the language. Thank goodness!

    Here's my question: does a person's mind tend to atrophé when it comes to trying to comprehend computers? I think my example proves this. As long as they didn't know that it had to do with computers it made sense, but one mention of this relating to computers and everything went to pot.

    Computers aren't that complicated: it's basically like telling a dumb person that can only understand specific commands what to do. I think people tend to think that computers are smarter than they are, and that people that can control computers must be the smartest people of all. This really isn't the case. It was funny, one of the girls in my class turned to me and said: "You may be smart enough to understand this, but I never will be." Personally, I wanted to explain to her that I'm not that smart. Computer smarts is not the only kind of intelligence. Try convincing some people of THAT, though. I personally think that programming is a lazy person's occupation, and it's sort of why it caught my eye. Recently, though, I think I'm more interested in systems analysis and design. I don't want to just crank out code, because I enjoy working with people, believe it or not.
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    Re: Are computers THAT scary?

    ...That just went over my head.

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      #3
      Re: Are computers THAT scary?

      true in alot of cases.

      id say that its best to keep things simple and on a general basis when learning. however, its better to relate everything to something the students should already have a good grasp of - clearly computers was not the best choice in this instance.

      computers seam to be marketed as something overpowerful, when they realy arnt that scarry. maybe its a ploy to get people to higher technitans to do their computer work for them?

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        Re: Are computers THAT scary?

        Yeah, I know how you feel. I TA a C++ class for scientists and engineers, so I spend a lot of my time trying to get non-computer science students to understand basic computer science. It seems so simple, but you've got to remember that you've been around this stuff for years. They're just getting their first crack at it. Of course it's going to be challenging starting out - remember the first computer science course you ever took?

        But that being said, yes, computers are hella scary. There's too much damn jargon for the common man to even comprehend what's being said. My roommate gives me an earful of it pretty regularly, and every time I end up going crosseyed.

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          #5
          Re: Are computers THAT scary?

          Oh, and Funk, unless you can jump inside the heads of everyone there and verify that they all understood it beforehand, you're really just assuming things.

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            #6
            Re: Are computers THAT scary?

            Herd mentality mixed with feelings of incompetence. Everyone, whether they understood it or not, probably just nodded their heads at first, so they didn't look dumb. But when it's translated into computer terminology, something they aren't familiar with, they all rise up against the thing they didn't previously understand in the first place.

            That could be a load of bull.

            In fact, it probably is.

            But it SOUNDS smart.

            ...

            Not really.
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              Re: Are computers THAT scary?

              They said they understood it when he explained it. He asked if there were any questions and no one raised their hands. This is the kind of class that asks questions if they don't understand things. Then to make me feel at home he made sure that I knew this was related to computers, and of course I did. It was at this point that the class panicked and said they couldn't comprehend what they just confirmed that they had no questions on. I think the teacher expected this, but he already said that he wasn't going to alienate me for the sake of the class even though it would sometimes make things easier. So he stood there and tried to re-explain the pseudocode while the rest of the class refused to take it back in because it was computer related now. Class was dismissed shortly after that, and he took me aside and taught me the rest of the chapter.

              Honestly, I think it was more of a shutting out the material because it lost relevence than just plain forgetting it. But some of the girls made it especially clear that they didn't understand computers and basically that I should be taught this stuff seperately because it scared them. It made me feel REALLY wanted.
              Last edited by Funk; 04-15-2005, 08:43 AM.
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                #8
                Re: Are computers THAT scary?

                That speaks so poorly of math majors.
                Glad I'm not one of them.
                Any slightly intellegent person can learn computer coding. These idiots just started jumping to conculsions and it made them even more stupid for doing so. What a sad excuse for being stupid.
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                  #9
                  Re: Are computers THAT scary?

                  About half of the people in my Discrete Math class were CompSci majors, and the other half were Math. No one seemed to have a problem with algorithms...

                  Then again, I don't know what anyone's final grades were...

                  However, that seemed to be the opposite in my programming classes. All the CompSci majors in the entry-level classes seemed to have no clue what was going on. I saw quite a few people just trying to throw code together randomly and then checking it on the computer. And try introducing new file and data types! YIKES!

                  But to answer your question (Are computers THAT scary?)... no. No they are not. Debugging senseless code is scary, though. I got to do plenty of that when a friend of mine asked me to help him.
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                    #10
                    Re: Are computers THAT scary?

                    I actually have the problem of dealing with math OFF of computers.

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