I don't suck at Warcraft Three!

[hitogoroshi]

so.
I used to be like 95% of people, who get the basics behind an RTS, but don't...get it. I know thats kinda weird to say, but I've seen a lot of you on Starcraft who "get" the game.
And, well, I get Warcraft 3 now. I know, weird to make a thread about: but it's just so great to be able to click the quick play icon and have a chance of winning.
Here's an example. (http://www.freewebs.com/flametoungestudios/a%20good%20fair%20win.w3g) This guy wasn't a total tard, it was just a fair game that I won. So, when I'm getting whupped in Starcraft, just remember: I can play Warcraft Three.
And pheonix, I want a rematch sometime. :p And the rest of you! Get on warcraft three! I'd like to actually be decent in a pav competiton.
[EDIT: Oh yeah, and any tips on how I can improve? that was kinda the whole point.]

[Misty]

You make me proud, Hito. Every day :)

Go show them how much you kick ass.

[hitogoroshi]

Well, it's not like B.net is gonna be a clean sweep for me, but at least I have a chance against opponents who are really the level it says they are.
I just wonder why this doesn't transfer like, at all to starcraft. :(
[EDIT: Downloading the replay of the tournament finals. Gonna replay them to death XD]

[JPS]

I never "got" starcraft either...which is a shame because i really love the game:(

I dont have warcraft 3, but might get it once I get my new comp

Im still looking for people to play quake 3 because I'm real good at that but no one has that either:cry

[hitogoroshi]

Yeah. get Warcraft 3 ASAP. The custom games on battle.net are a HUGE source of replay value. :D
Make sure you get the Battle Chest w/ Frozen Throne, though.

[Caciss]

Thing is Warcraft 3 is more like a super simplified game of SC. Does a lot of things automatically, that you have to do manually in SC. Don't have to babysit heros and stuff either (in SC that is).

[hitogoroshi]

Actually, in some ways Warcraft Three is more complex, but yeah, Starcraft is more complex in the ways that are killing me. It's not so much that Warcraft does more things automatically as it is that the counter system is so much more PRONOUNCED that you have to direct every different unit type in SC to a different type of unit.
Heroes add more strategy, but at the same time, dividing those perks among units require a much more divided attention span, and two fronts is pretty much my limit :(

[Denmo]

I'm really good at Unreal Tournament 2k4. But no one hear wants to play me because I'm so damn good.

Or they just don't wanna get the game.

[hitogoroshi]

here.
And I dislike almost any FPS, although I like Call of Duty.
[EDIT: and even though I'm home sick, I still enjoy warcraft three breaks. 3 win streak going. 5 more wins and I get an icon! :D]

[Omnislash024]

WC was all about getting flying units on the board as fast and quick as possible. Sc is kinda the same, cept units counteract each other better I think.

[hitogoroshi]

Erm, not really. You try that v. me, and Ill just Headhunter/Beserker you into oblivion. :grin
Although both Warcraft AND Starcraft matter a lot about whats in the skies, it's not like I'm gonna mass windriders w/ orcs, that'd be dumb.

[Red Dragon]

I hate the hero system in WC3. The whole game revolves around it though.

[Misty]

Erm, not really. You try that v. me, and Ill just Headhunter/Beserker you into oblivion. :grin

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about, Hito! Layeth the trash-talk SMACKDOWN!

[hitogoroshi]

Well, certainly the hero system is imporant to grasp, but the game does NOT revolve around it. It sometimes seems like it, because their abilities see a lot of use, but use does not equal importance, and hero's are not even close to being the most important thing.

[Alzar]

Well, certainly the hero system is imporant to grasp, but the game does NOT revolve around it. It sometimes seems like it, because their abilities see a lot of use, but use does not equal importance, and hero's are not even close to being the most important thing.

I disagree...Levelling up your Heroes is pretty much #1.

[Caciss]

WC was all about getting flying units on the board as fast and quick as possible. Sc is kinda the same, cept units counteract each other better I think.

Hahahahhahahaha

You must have sucked at SC.

[hitogoroshi]

I disagree...Levelling up your Heroes is pretty much #1.
It seems like that, because when you're in a battle you use your heroes abilities. You need a balanced army more then anything else, but there is no button to push using grunts or headhunters, so you assume that the hero is the big thing because thats what's getting your attention during the battle.
Although I will say that leveling a hero is a nice helper, it's still WAY more important to consider what kind of army you need during the battle as a whole.

[Denmo]

Get on AIM, chum.

[Red Dragon]

You could have 10 units and a level 3 hero and they could have 3 units and a level 8 hero

The group with the level 8 hero will almost always win.

[hitogoroshi]

Well, yeah, but in that instance, if their hero is level 8 and yours is level three you suck anyway and his three units are probably countering your ten. :p

[Garr123]

The hero system ruined that game for me. I want an RTS not a ****ty pseudo-RPG where I have to babysit an uber unit around the map killing monsters. And if you opt not to do that? You get your ass stomped by the other guys hero. Bull****.

[Red Dragon]

That's why I hope when and if Starcraft II comes out they won't implement heroes in the PvP aspect. Or if they do they are powerful units but don't level up or any of that crap. "This is not Warcraft in space!"

[hitogoroshi]

Is killing the monsters that bad?
I normally just do it to get to the gold mines/ cool buildings anyway. Sure. I'll kill random monsters as well, but only when my base is going at a good click and I can hotkey my barracks to keep churning guys. I find it fun, actually: before the acutal fights v. people (unless they rush) you get to kill some random monsers to get stuff.
And for the record regarding "babysitting": oftentimes if a building is completed I'll just let my hero do his thing while I work on my base. Of course, I always keep a minimum of 2 grunts with him XD

[Red Dragon]

It's just really dumb to have in a RTS. I am not saying Blizzard didn't do a great job with the system. I just remember playing against my friend (a WCIII nut BTW) and it was just crazy that he could wipe out an entire army with one unit. Granted he could micro like the devil, it still doesn't justify the overpoweredness of a rushing hero.

[hitogoroshi]

Ermmm...you mention hero rushing and wiping out "an entire army". Did you have a few basic units and no hero? Well then, yeah, of course you lost. Thats why the first hero costs nothing but food: you can get one to defend a rush. If you have a few units, and he has a hero and can micro like the devil, you'll lose. But it's not like, when the game gets past, say, ten minutes, a hero can kill an entire army.

[Phoenix]

Actually hito, FFXI is down for server maintenence, so if you want we can play now >.>

[hitogoroshi]

Tomorrow, man. To Kill a Mockingbird has me whipped. :(

[Phoenix]

I thought you read that ages ago :/

[IRC]

I suck at all RTS's online because I'm a slow builder. I'd much rather just enjoy taking my sweet time against the computer.

I did manage to demolish Smurvis one time with a single Terran Wraith. Sweetest victory ever.

[hitogoroshi]

Nice, SHFC!
And Phoenix, it's not the reading that has me whipped. It's the journal entries my English class requires.

[jase]

I think I'm beggining to get SC...although I don't actually own it so...I can't really say for sure. I'm considering buying it soon.
Actually hito I just had an idea for why you suck so bad at SC. Try using races other than the protoss, I was playing on pats computer and the protoss moved from being my favorite side to my worst.

[altoecko]

I love the UMS games on WC III, I hate the melee though. So, if you'd like to play a game of Custom Hero Arena, Battleships, or something else sometime, let me know.

[jase]

I never play the standard game anymore. But I still love the custom games, although I can't play online right now. :(