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**Patryn** · 01-31-2007, 09:00 PM

Re: Sony spouts more BS.

It's been pointed out that Sony said almost the same thing in reference to the DS 18 months ago.

Frankly at this point we should just have a general "Sony Says Something Stupid" thread, because they're doing it every week.

**Vonwert** · 01-31-2007, 09:42 PM

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Other than Metal Gear Solid 4, is there any other games that are must haves at the same time being excluvises?

**Patryn** · 01-31-2007, 09:46 PM

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Final Fantasy XIII.

Which is pretty pathetic, considering that the 360 has (for me): Fallout 3, Halo 3, Gears of War, and probably KoTOR 3, and that's off the top of my head. Damn, I really need to get a 360 like yesterday.

**Jeroak Nelave** · 01-31-2007, 09:55 PM

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Valk, why dont you just give most everyone here an extra title called "I hate Sony", it would be less annoying than these topics, especially since some of what he said actually makes a very good point.

The Wii is MUCH more of an impulse buy than the PS3, and even Nintendo doesnt even consider the PS3 competing with the Wii. And most of this crap is paralleling the stuff that happened 5 years ago with the release of the Gamecube. "PS2 is dead", "Gamecube is the better system".

Look what happened to the Cube...didnt it come in 3rd?

I guess maybe i'll just start making topics about all the stupid **** that MS and Nintendo do.

**Patryn** · 01-31-2007, 09:59 PM

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If you do Jeroak, I'll happily post anything stupid that Microsoft or Nintendo does. Lord knows that Nintendo did a LOT of stupid stuff back when Yamauchi was in charge (remember when he basically said that video games were stupid and how he was proud that he'd never played a video game before? And this was the man in charge of Nintendo?)

All Sony needs is a good PR person to just tell them to shut the hell up.

**Jeroak Nelave** · 01-31-2007, 10:02 PM

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It just gets old sometimes when i just cant see why everyone here gets to mad and hateful at Sony about the PS3, and I cant 100% guarantee, that there would be NO extra hate for Sony (out of the normal fanboyishness) if the PS3 were priced the same as the 360.

That is the BIGGEST reason that people hate it. Complain all you want if you cant afford it, but dont go out of your way just because of sour grapes.(not saying you in particular, just in general)

**Ivalice** · 01-31-2007, 10:04 PM

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I'm not sure what Sony's definition of impulse is. Like many people I stood in line for my Wii and had planned to for a month before release. I wouldn't consider that impulse...

However I was in wal-mart the other day and noticed a couple 60gig PS3's and nearly walked out the door with one since I had the money in my pocket. That to me is impulse.

Why hasn't Sony just admitted that 600$ is a barrier for the average consumer. If alot of people haven't bought the 360 at 500$ did they really think the PS3 would sell like crazy?

Price matters to most people. There are still developers here that are buying Wii's off of ebay because they are tired of waiting for stores to get enough of them to be on the shelf once they get off of work.

**Patryn** · 01-31-2007, 10:07 PM

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While I'm not fond of the price, part of it is simply that my tastes have swung quite heavily towards more American style games (especially RPGs) and thus the PS3 doesn't have the lineup that really interests me. That's what irritates me more, the simple fact that there aren't any good games (for me) for it.

Beyond Final Fantasy XIII, there really isn't anything. When the games show up, I'll show up.

And honestly, most of my hate on Sony isn't about the PS3 but is about their executives who don't know how to keep their mouth shut. It wouldn't bother me that much if the PS3 was the number one console this generation, honestly.

I mean, the PS1 is still my favorite console of all time, and I've played my PS2 probably 3x as much as I've played my XBox. Why? Because they had the games.

**Magus** · 01-31-2007, 10:08 PM

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I can bash Nintendo real good.

But they've done the most good for 20+ years so. Like. Whatever.

**Valkysas** · 01-31-2007, 10:29 PM

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The price isnt why people hate sony and the PS3. We know why the price is so high. Most of us can understand it.

People were actually dismissing the PS2 when the Gamecube came out? I don't recall that. I thought the Gamecube was a joke when it came out, Oni Link always flamed me about that. I think the most he ever yelled at me was when he was trying to show off Mario Kart Double Dash and it's graphics, while I commented on how un-detailed the models were and how they all had smears for faces in the early screenshots. Hell, I still think the Gamecube was a joke. it had some damn good games, but nothing near what the PS2 had. The PS2 was THE system to have last generation, and I feel sorry for anyone that didnt realize that. Nintendo still hadnt recovered from the massive bomb that was the N64. I'm not a Nintendo Fanboy. I just follow the games I want to play, no matter what system they show up on. Hell, me and you used to joke about the Xbox and Gamecube over AIM all the time in the old days. you know I'm not anything close to a fanboy. Hell I was hyped up BIG TIME for the PSP, while dismissing the DS when it was announced. until I got my hands on a japanese launch PSP. that wasnt a pleasant experience at all, and I was hard on the PSP for a very long time because of it.

Jeroak, if you can find any stupid things MS and especially Nintendo say/do, then go ahead and post them, no one is stopping you. Good luck finding anything near the level of what Sony's been up to though. Honestly, its not like I hunt for Sony screwups to post here. I watch for ANY company to mess up. It just so happens that Sony screwups are very plentiful, whereas its almost impossible to find cases of MS or Nintendo stupidity.

I could afford a PS3 if I wanted one. but I don't, for the same reason everyone else doesnt want one. there's no games out right now that make the system worth owning to anyone but the hardcore sony fan.

BUT, remember what I've said in the past. in about a year, a lot of us will want one, provided the third parties stop bailing on the system and announcing that they're taking all their PS3 games multi-platform (like sega announced).

The Wii is MUCH more of an impulse buy than the PS3

How is the Wii an impulse buy? it's not even possible to buy it on impulse, that would require being able to see it casually on a shelf and deciding "I'll buy that". but no, if you want a Wii, you have to WORK at it. even now, you have to know when a store is getting them, line up before the store is open, and get your ass in there immediately and get one right as the store opens. it requires getting on pre-order lists. it requires buying one at scalper prices online. The Wii is impossible to buy on impulse.

I hated the Wii at first. I saw that controller, and dear god, I bashed on it. a lot. RPGDesigner, if he were here, could vouch for that. What silenced my complaints on the Wii? seeing it in action, having friends that played it at E3, and finally getting my own hands on the thing.

People arent talking about all of sony's screwups because we're fanboys or anti-fanboys or whatever the hell else terms might exist. its because we're TIRED of the way they act. This isnt the sony we used to love. this isnt the sony that rocked so much the past decade. Sony is pretty much following in Nintendo's footsteps. they got overconfident, and are convinced they can do anything they want and people will buy it, much like Nintendo was with the N64. Sony actually said people would buy the PS3 if there were no games at launch. How can you defend a company that would talk that way about YOU? To think so little of you and the rest of sony's loyal fanbase that they'd buy a system with no games at all. You blindly defend a company that treats ALL gamers like absolute garbage...

You suggested I give everyone else a special title that says "I hate sony". I propose you adapt this as an avatar or sig instead:

**Maijo** · 01-31-2007, 10:51 PM

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WHy does everyone give the N64 crap?

Am I the only one who loved that system?

**Valkysas** · 01-31-2007, 10:55 PM

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N64 had some good games, but almost everything worth playing for it came from Nintendo themselves. the launch even only had TWO games.

the N64 compared to the PS1 though, if it was your only system... you were getting the short end of the stick on the N64. Ideally, people should have had both.

**Denmo** · 01-31-2007, 10:57 PM

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Us: PS3 is too expensive!!

Jer:
SDF ACTIVATE!

Us: Hurray!

Everyone's been saying the Wii is a risky venture, but I think Sony's is riskier. Blu-Ray? Why use such an expensive hardware when you have affordable alternatives? Why does programming for the system have to be so complicated and expensive?

It's been said and done before, but it keeps ringing true. This is just like Betamax, and it will likely turn out like Betamax. Yes, high quality! Woohoo! But no one wanted it because it was downright expensive, and would allow Sony to dominate the media.

**H2SO4** · 01-31-2007, 10:59 PM

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So now Sony is slapping every gamer in the face by saying if they don't choose PlayStation as their console of choice, then their idiots.

Originally posted by Jeroak Nelave

I guess maybe i'll just start making topics about all the stupid **** that MS and Nintendo do.

I can't think of anything recent that Nintendo or Microsoft have done that could be considered stupid ****.

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