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Ωbright
01-30-2007, 10:43 PM
URSUS QUEST: Shadow of the Towers can be played without a walkthrough, but it might be helpful for the secret things in the game. There is a SPOILER WARNING in effect, of course. If there's something that's REALLY a HUGE spoiler, I'll annotate it.

When you first begin, you'll be outside, in the Archaeon town square, among your 7 old battlemates. Across the fountain from you is a save point. Use that, and then pick your 3 teammates.

CHARACTERS:
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TROY - Main character...auto joins in all games. He has skills like 'encounter-up/down' which help him be more useful.

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BROGAN - (White-haired dwarf) He has the high ATT/DEF of a dwarf, with a healthy smattering of white magic. Yup, he's a Dwarf Cleric. The other dwarf is a 'tank', but Brogan's an ambulance. He works equally well on the front line, or as support (if you're using 3 fighters in addition to him).

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ARATOS - (Long-haired mage) Aratos has the best magic spells, but strangely his M-ATT is not the highest...:wink He's definitely the most powerful mage in spite of that. Each of the 4 elemental magic types that he learns is strong against a certain elemental monster type. This really comes in handy in the towers, where the vast majority of enemies are of the same elemental type.

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GABRIEL- (Old priest) Gabriel is the best healer, and he also has the best M-ATT in the group. Ironic? not really...he has a skill called 'Smite' which is one of only 2 offensive skills that he has...weak at first, it's INSANELY powerful once he levels, because it's linked to his M-ATT. His other attack is weaker overall, but really good against the undead.

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LOREN - (Long-haired adventurer) He's the 'Guardian' character. At high levels, he has the ability to protect your status, and even NULLIFY any type of attack eventually. He even jumps in and takes damage for other party members quite often. While this can be annoying at first, he beefs up to a nice HP level fairly soon, so he can take more punishment.

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KARL - (Bald monk) Karl is the 'Red Monk' character. Not only are his skills balanced, but they are a mix of offensive, defensive, support, and restorative skills...and here's the clincher...NONE of them require ANY HP to cast! Once he learns a skill, he can use it as much as he wants. He's also the fastest character. His weapons are ONLY found as random drops from a certain type of enemy.

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JOSEPH - (Dark-haired mage) Joseph is a 'Dark Scholar', or in FF terms, he's a blue mage. Yup...he learns enemy skills! There are 15 different enemies throughout the game that can drop books which can teach Joseph new skills. The last one is only found after finding the other 15, and then doing something else... His skill list makes him the most versatile magic user by far, if not the most powerful (although LOOK OUT for his 16th spell.........) Joseph has the 'Escape' capability innately, which means that if he joins, the entire party can run from any battle that isn't a boss or story battle with 100% certainty. This comes in handy when you're trying to farm for skills for Joseph from a specific battle party, but also in lots of other ways. Joseph is only as good as the skills you find for him, so that makes up for it.

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DUGGAN - (Dark-haired dwarf) This is more of a straightforward dwarf character...Best ATT, best DEF, highest HP...'nuff said? :D He also learns exclusive skills like 'Dwarf Instinct', which springs traps for a while.

Use the above character descriptions, and when you have chosen all 3, the others will automatically go into your reserve team...you'll be able to access them later. The reason why I say to save first, is because once you say 'yes' to them, you're stuck with them unless you reset. However, you can say 'no' as often as you want.

Who you pick is up to you, but you might want to pick at least one character who can heal/cure your party, so you might want to consider Brogan, Gabriel, Joseph, or Karl. Of those characters, Gabriel and Joseph learn healing first.

CHAPTER 1 - ESCHELON (Part 1) -

Once you've chosen your party, you can spend your 100 gold coins on whatever you want. Since all characters begin the game with at least a few restorative items, you might consider weapon upgrades or equips...but that's up to you. I usually upgrade Troy's sword, and get him a shield. You should already have enough items to train up 2-3 levels.

Now, you can go outside and begin to train up a bit! You can go wherever you want, but you'll want to avoid the beach area in front of you until your party is at least level 3-4. It's usually best to just stick close to town, at least at first.

ENEMIES:
Rough Trader - Strong Special attacks - 50 HP
Soldier Hornet - Agile, yet only 15 HP each.
Kraken - Found on the beach area on the way to the Bandit's hideout. 200 HP.
Man o' War - Found with Krakens, each has 60 HP.

ENEMY SKILLS:
First Aid - Dropped by Rough Traders - heals slightly
Electrobiosis - Dropped by Krakens - Light damage to 1 emeny, but chance of causing 'STOP'.

ENEMY DROPS:
Bronze Sword - Rare drop from Rough Traders (Otherwise not available until the end of chapter 1)
Clover Ring - Rare drop from Soldier Hornets (Increases LUCK slightly)
Orange Keef - Rare drop from Soldier Hornets (FULL MP restoration)
Flashy Ring - Simi-rare drop from Krakens (Increases MAG-DEF slightly)
*NOTE* About 98% of the battles in SotT have a very rare chance of dropping a lucky ring, which maxes out a character's LUCK, makes the character SWIFT, and gives a slight bonus to every other stat. In 4 complete playthroughs, I found 1 twice...one of those times I actually found two. The more RE's you fight, the better your chances of getting one! Also, many of the early areas have enemies that drop magic/HP-restoring items. I didn't notate them seperately, but instead focused on the rarer drops for this walkthrough.

The Rough Traders you'll encounter on most parts of the Eschelon Islands have fairly powerful special attacks, but relatively few hit points. Just focus on one of them at a time, and you should be ok. These first battles can be tricky at first! Just be careful to keep people healed at least to half HP. at all times.

Once your party is at least level 4, call it a day, and return to town to save and rest at the inn. Before you begin the assault on the bandit hideout, buy some more equipment upgrades and items. Your first mission will not hold any new enemies, but there IS a boss, so be prepared.

Now begins the assault on the bandits' sea cave hideout! Just make your way to the sandy peninsula to the South of town, and beyond that is your next destination. Along the way, on the beach area between you and the sea cave, you'll encounter a couple of new enemies...the Krakens and Man o' Wars. These encounters are much tougher than what you've encountered so far, but they are do-able as long as you are at least level 4, and keep a close eye on your party HP. Be sure to get the enemy skill 'Electobiosis' for Joseph if you selected him (and even if you didn't)!

DUNGEON - Bandit's Hideout
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Once you've made it across the beach, you can enter the sea cave, where the bandits have made their HQ. Be sure to open the chests to the right of the entrance for some restorative items, and some cash. The enemies here are just more Rough Traders, so no biggie...just be sure to wipe them out in one turn if you can (you should be killing them with 1 hit at this point), and you won't have to worry about maintaining you party's HP levels. Along the way, you'll see 1 path leading off from the main one to the right. Take this path for a Clover Ring and a Greek Fire (damages all enemies), and then go back to resume the main path.

At the end of this path is a chamber and a save point...use this before you do anything else! Once you've saved your game, you can open the 2 chests here for a Wind Crystal (warps out of dungeons), and some more low-level restorative items. Investigating the pile of gold on the other side of the save point will spark a boss battle, so be sure you're saved before you do that.

BOSS BATTLE - Ogre
Optimal party level - 8-9
HP - 1290
Rare Drop - Brotherhood Cup (Restores party HP)
Rare Drop - Meat Brasier (Unlimited-use encounter UP item)

This is the first boss battle, so he's a bit harder than what you've encountered so far, but he's not too dificult if you watch your party's HP. Just unload your best skills on him, and he'll go down without too much trouble. He has some rather powerful skills, one of which damages all allies, but if you're lucky he may not even use it.

After the battle, use the Wind Crystal to warp back to the world map. Return to town to save, rest, and update your equipment in order to prepare for the next part of chapter 1.


CHAPTER 1 - ESCHELON (Part 2) -
After making your preparations, leave town, and head north through the woods until you reach the ruins there. Before you leave, I strongly suggest that you buy some 'Smelling Salts' (recover from unconsciousness)! All enemies in the dungeon to come are of the 'undead' type.

DUNGEON - Ancient Ruins
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ENEMIES:
Fallen - 230 HP
Gasp - 158 HP
Bloodybones - 200 HP. WATCH OUT for their 'Hell's Gate' spell...it damages the entire party, and has a chance of causing instant death.

ENEMY SKILLS:
Hell's Gate - Dropped by Bloodybones - Damages all enemies, and can cause instant death.

ENEMY DROPS:
Bear Ring - Rare drop by Fallen. (STR +5)
Intimidator - Sometimes dropped by Fallen (Eliminates random enemy encounters for a while)

There's a completely superfluous section of hallway near the entrance designed to thwart would-be intuders, but if you follow the map above, you should be fine. Just go left when you first can, and you can avoid the extra section of dungeon completely. If you do this, be sure to go right at the intersection first, then take another immediate right to enter a chamber with a chest containing a Rawhide Shield. Upon leaving this room, take a left, and then an immediate right until you reach a 4-way intersection. Enter the chamber directly in front of you first, and recieve a Wind Crystal and a Broken Hookah from the chests within. When you exit this room, go right first. At the end of this path is another treasure chamber...this time with an Ether and a Smelling Salts as a reward. When you return to the intersection, continue forward through it until you reach the ultimate goal of the dungeon: a chest containing a Goblin Key, and a Healing Herb.

Now you can warp out of this place, and return to town for some rest, equipment upgrades, and item re-stocking (if needed). The next dungeon leads to the lands of chapter 2, so you might want to get what you want from the shops before you leave to make things easier. You should have enough gold at this point in the game to buy everyone the best weapon (definitely), the best armor (possibly), and the 2 expensive rings (probably not). If you want, you can return after completing the next dungeon to buy what's left, OR you can farm for enough gold to buy everything before you leave, OR you can just move on. There is a point beyond which you can't return (until the last part of the game), but it's not until after chapter 2.

Which ever you choose, when you've made your preparations you should make your way to the northern tip of the island...that's your next destination.

DUNGEON - Goblin Cave
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ENEMIES:
Goblet - 161 HP. High AGI
Atlas Ant - 132 HP. High DEF, can poison

ENEMY SKILLS:
None

ENEMY DROPS:
Ancient Urn 1 - Sometimes dropped by Goblets. (See 'SECRETS' section at end of walkthrough)

The enemies here are tougher to beat, but not really more dangerous unless you're careless. Their HP is actually a bit less than the enemies in the previous dungeon, but they're harder to hit (Goblets), or they have strong defenses (Atlas Ants). If you're using one or both of the Dwaves, you might consider using a mallet rather than an axe, because if you're having trouble hitting the enemies here, you might as well make each hit count. Anyway, a little bit of magic goes a long way in this place.

*WEAPON NOTE* There are 2 different types of weapon that dwarves can equip: Axes, and Mallets. Most shops will offer one of each. The axe has a higher ATT than the mallet, but ALL mallets (except for 1-2) have the 'SMASH' attribute attached...which means that they have a set probability of inflicting double damage. That, and the sheer volume of materials needed to make the mallets make them slightly more expensive than the axes, even though their ATT is less overall. Equip a Lucky Ring with a mallet...and look out.

When you enter the Goblin Cave, you will see two exits to the entrance chamber...one to your left, and one to your right. You'll want to go left first, as this path leads to a dead-end with a chest. In this chest are Smelling Salts and a Bronze sword. After getting these, go back to the entrance chamber, and this time take the right-hand passage. Immediately after taking this path, take the right you see there for another dead-end with a chest. This time, the chest contains a Magic Herb. (I know it's not a lot, but considering the amount of magic you'll probably be doing in this place, it will come in handy). After getting this, go back to the intersection and this time take the left passage.

This passage zigzags along, but it's fairly linear for a while. In this hallway are 2 chests containing a Bear Ring (ATT +5), and a Golden Oil (medium MP restoration item), in the order you'll encounter them. Soon you'll encounter a path to your right, in the wall of a long, straight hallway. This is the way you'll want to go eventually, but first go forward and then left for 2 chests which contain a Healing Herb, and an Ether. If you don't have a healer or medic with an antidote skill/spell, then this will come in handy in here, as the Atlas Ants can poison you.

When you've collected these first-aid supplies, go back to the hole in the hallway wall and enter it. The left path is a dead-end with a chest containing another Healing Herb and a Brotherhood Cup (Revives all unconscious allies). The way from this point to the exit of the dungeon is a bit complicated, but as long as you follow the compass and go south whenever possible, you'll find your way easily. When you reach a wall in front of you, go all the way left for a chest before you continue south to the exit chamber.

*VERSION NOTE* In the currently uploaded version, players will get a bomb from the above-mentioned chest that does heavy damage to a single target. In the new version, players will recieve a bomb which inflicts damage to all enemies. If you save this item for a boss (which is a sound strategy), it won't matter, since there will always be only 1 boss at a time, and both bombs do about the same damage anyway. The multi-enemy bomb exists in the current version also, but the single-enemy bomb has been deleted from the new version.

When you're standing right in front of the exit, you should be able to see 2 chests nearby. The one to your left contains a Healing Elixir (MAX HP restoration item), and the one just to the right of the exit door contains an Iron Ring (DEF +5). The Goblin Cave is now complete! Now you can either go outside, or use a wind crystal to go back to the entrance, so you can go back to town to buy anything you might want there. If not, then go through the exit, and emerge outside...on the island you probably saw before. In the center of this tiny island is a teleport, which whisks you away to the lands of chapter 2.

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CHAPTER 2 - CALDERA (Part 1) -

ENEMIES:
Centaur - 342 HP (tough, but stupid...fortunately for you. When they get a clue they can hurt you, but they hardly ever do.
Salamander - 260 HP
Tooki Bird - 174 HP (Can revive other enemies)
Treant - 169 HP

ENEMY SKILLS:
Chiron's Revenge - Dropped by Centaurs (moderate damage to all enemies - chance of 'SLOW')
RISE! - Learned from Tooki Birds (Revive 1 fallen ally)

ENEMY DROPS:
Philodendron - Sometimes dropped by Treants. (See 'SECRETS' section at end of walkthrough)
Lunar Ring - Rare drop from Salamanders (MAG +8/M-DEF +8/AGI +8/LUCK +8)
Solar Ring - Rare drop from Salamanders (STR +8/DEF +8/AGI +8/LUCK +8)
Skill Ring - Sometimes dropped by Centaurs (AGI +10/LUCK +10)
Opal Ring - Rare drop from Tooki Birds (MAG +30/M-DEF +30/LUCK +30 - Restores MP)
Brotherhood Cup - Rare drop from Treants

When you arrive at your new destination, you'll see the remains of a smoldering volcanic crater. This is the reason why the place is named the way it is...'Caldera'. You will see the steam rising from several places also, where molten lava has reached the seawater. The MAIN thing you will see, however, is the Amber Tower in front of you...the first tower in your quest! In spite of this place's proximity to the sea, the element of the area (and thus the tower within it), is FIRE. This being the case, all of the enemies within the Amber Tower are of the FIRE element.

*VERSION NOTE* In the new version, there will be an elemental system. Aratos the elemental mage has 4 elemental magic types, and each one is strong against an elemental type found in the towers (and also elsewhere). This system is an add-on, and that's fine...it's not meant to be a fundamental change in the game mechanics, but rather just an added facet to it.

But first things first, make you way down through the rocky passageways to the grassy area. Once here, remain to the right to find the passable slope leading down to the lower areas. Once on the sandy area, you can go left to investigate the steam vents. There's no real point of going here, but the Salamanders which love the hot water here can drop some nice items.

To your right is the Amber Tower, for which you lack the key, then a pyramid-shaped building (The Tower Complex), for which you ALSO lack the key, then further up the opposite end of the vocano rim is the town of Uldrea. Head here first to rest up and restock your supplies. The amount of money you have at your disposal after resting and grocery shopping will vary from game to game, depending on how much you trained, how many chests you found, and your previous shopping choices, but you should still be able to afford many nice pieces of armor and new weaponry in the shops here.

Once you've bought the best equipment that you currently can, you can return outside to train and farm for exp/money/items/skills much more easily...and safely. That's why I said to just bypass everything and come to Uldrea straight away. You'll be traversing the western end of the island several times through the course of chapter 2, so there's no real need to farm unless you're about to end the chapter and you still haven't found something that you really want, or can't afford something that you want in the shop yet.

Once you're satisfied with your visit to Uldrea, or your hay fever from all those damn flowers is killing you, head out for your first mission in Caldera. But where to go? There's only 3 places here: the tower, the pyramid, and Uldrea...and the pyramid and the tower are both locked. Well, since the pyramid is called the Tower Complex, one can assume (correctly) that the key to the tower is locked away somewhere in there...but how do you get into the Tower Complex?

Well, the Centaurs here are the guardians of the tower. One of them has the key, and will drop it when you defeat him. It probably won't take too long to find the right Centaur. Some may fault me for having a story treasure only found as a random enemy drop, but who else would have the key?

In any case, after you've defeated the gatekeeper Centaur and won his key, you can enter the Tower Complex and begin your quest for the key to the tower.

DUNGEON - Tower Complex
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ENEMIES:
Embalmed - 370 HP
Anubite - 625 (can heal 1 enemy)
King Spider - 250

ENEMY SKILLS:
None
*VERSION NOTE* In the current version, you can learn 'Ice Demon' from the Anubites here...a full chapter early. Oh well, enjoy the mistake in your favor, folks!

ENEMY DROPS: None. In my playthroughs, I always began to get an overstocked inventory at about this point, so items become a bit more scarce later in the game. Don't worry, though...there are still plenty of items to find, it's just that some areas have very few if any enemy drops. Later on, I solved the problem in other ways, as well...like replacing 1-use items with items that can be used 3-10 times to save inventory space. I may add some enemy drops here and there in the final version, especially since I ran out of room for chests...we'll see.

Use your Rusty Key to open the Tower Complex ruins, and if you're satisfied with the current state of party affairs, then go on inside (after you save, of course). Before you is a forest of pillars running the length of a long hallway, with 2 doors along the left wall (both open), 2 doors along the right wall (one of which is locked), and a locked door at the far end. Ignore the first 2 doors on either side, they are dead-ends. The layout of this place looks complicated, but it's really very simple. Through the unlocked door lies the key to the left door, and behind that door is the key to the bottom door.

Once through this door, you'll want to go West and then North, all the way up, until you reach a chamber with a teleport at its center. Take this teleport to another one in a similar chamber on the East side of the ruins. Follow this path South until it curves to the West, and you'll find your prize...the Amber Tower Key! Now use Egress, or a Wind Crystal to warp outside of the Tower Complex, and head back to town to prepere for your assault on the Amber Tower!

CHAPTER 2 - CALDERA (Part 2) -
Go to right in front of the Amber Tower and save your game.

DUNGEON - The Amber Tower
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Floor 1 -

ENEMIES :
Fire Guardian -
Ember -
Red Asp -
Infernal Mage -
Amber Golem -

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ENEMY SKILLS -
White Wind - Dropped by Infernal Mages on floors 8 & 9

ENEMY DROPS -

Open the locked door inside with your Amber Tower Key, and immediately after opening the door you'll see a statue directly in front of you, barring you from going further into the tower. As you probably guessed, this statue will attack when inspected closely. The statues on this floor of the tower guard the tower, but they also guard 6 treasure chests. Almost ALL of the chests in the towers are on the first floor, but the only enemies you have to deal with are the statues. There are NO random encounters on the first floor of any tower in Shadow of the Towers.

Ωbright
03-29-2007, 04:23 AM
The further I go with this walkthrough, the more differences between the current version and the NEW version emerge. I've been trying to keep up with them, but it's getting rediculous.

So what I'll do is leave what's there, to help people through the beginning of the current version, and work on a seperate walkthrough for the new version. When I upload the new version, I'll update the walkthrough.

I encourage people to WAIT to play, however...until the new version. It will be out soon! If you already have a pretty deep game going with the current version, you can try to update it. It might work ok...

If you need help with updating files, I can give some. I'll post about it when I upload the new (final goddamnit) version.

Lausen
04-13-2007, 12:00 AM
I started to read the walkthrough and found a few questions. You said upgrade your weapons. Does that mean you buy new ones or did you find a way to actually inprove the states of weapons? If there is a way to do that could you give me a hint as to how you did that? I tryed already but it didn't work.

And how much space did all the extra things you added take up. Like the customizable mansion.

Sorry I think I posted this in the wrong spot.

Ωbright
04-13-2007, 02:08 AM
I started to read the walkthrough and found a few questions. You said upgrade your weapons. Does that mean you buy new ones or did you find a way to actually inprove the states of weapons? If there is a way to do that could you give me a hint as to how you did that? I tryed already but it didn't work.

And how much space did all the extra things you added take up. Like the customizable mansion.

Sorry I think I posted this in the wrong spot.

You didn't post in the wrong place, as far as I'm concerned! And no, there are no customizable weapons in SotT because I ran out of room, but I did find a cool way to introduce all of those smithed weapons I'd already made! ;)

If you want to make a 'blacksmithing event', there are several ways. You can have the event center around a non-npc event, where the player is the blacksmith, or you can have another character act as the blacksmith as an NPC. Also, you can do it with variables, with treasure-detection, or with a combination of both.

In any case, you're going to want to make all possible resulting weapons FIRST to save yourself some headache. Believe me...you'll be glad you did.

Second, you'll want to make sure that you ONLY get your starting weapon by beginning the game with it, or via an event. You can't detect whether a player has the 'copper sword', so you either have to give the player the copper sword via an event which also changes a variable, or a regular chest which gives the player the weapon AND a treasure...a 'weapon medal' or something.

Now...let's say you want to make the blacksmithing event center around a chalice on a pedestal of some kind, where the player is the blacksmith:

- If you want to do it with only treasures, set the event for 'button', and set the requirement for blacksmithing to be the weapon (weapon medal treasure), and 1-2 other treasures...maybe a 'whet stone' and a 'mythril ingot' or something? You get the idea. Then add event codes which remove the old weapon, the weapon medal, and the other items, and one code which adds the new weapon. The disadvantage of doing it this way is that you don't get any choice in what you get...if you have the 3 items, then you can combine them to get 1 other item. Also, before the event activates you get NOTHING when you investigate the blacksmithing event...no helpful messages, nothing. Using variables is a wee bit more complicated, but offers WAY more options. They make this method much cooler, and are (almost) mandatory in the next one.

If you want to use variables, then you'd first select a variable to be your 'dagger variable' (let's say), and increase that variable by 1 in the event where you recieve the dagger. If you want to do this with a regular treasure chest, also put a 'dagger medal' treasure into the chest as mentioned earlier. On the same floor of that dungeon, place an invisible auto event that needs the dagger medal in order to activate. Once the chest is opened, and the dagger medal obtained, the auto-event activates, and changes your 'dagger variable' by 1, and then turns itself off. If you do the same thing for all of the other treasures involved in the making of the weapon, you'll have more than enough variables to work with in your blacksmithing event.

Now you need to make some more decisions...do you want to have it this way:

Dagger + 1 upgrade = Dagger +1 ('dagger' variable = 2)
Dagger +1 (+ 1 more upgrade) = Dagger +2 ('dagger' variable = 3)
Dagger +2 (+ 1 more upgrade) = Dagger +3 ('dagger' variable = 4)
etc...up to (let's say) 10.

Each time you find a 'Whet Stone' (let's say), it increases the 'dagger' variable by 1.

In your blacksmithing event, place a Val-Conditional branch which checks to see your current 'dagger' variable amount, takes away your current weapon and whet stone(s), and replaces it with the proper new weapon. In order to do this, you just need to create 10 daggers, and name them (dagger) +1 through +10.

...or do you want to have it this way?

Dagger + 1 upgrade with FIRE stone = Flame Dirk
Dagger + 1 upgrade with an ICE crystal = Ice Pick
Dagger + 1 upgrade with a Curare Root = Poison Pike

For this, you'd probably want to have a seperate variable for each weapon upgrade-item type. that way, your blacksmithing event could simply be comprised of a series of val-conditional branches. The first one checks your 'dagger' variable to make sure you have the proper weapon, the next one checks your 'fire upgrade' variable. if you've found at least 1 fire upgrade treasure item (fire variable = 1), you can then place a Q-A branch...'Upgrade your dagger to a 'Flame Dirk'? - Y/N' If you say 'NO', you move on to the next V-C branch, which checks for your 'Ice upgrade' variable amount, and offers the same choices. You can set it up so that it totally skips over V-C branches for items that you haven't found yet.

You can go even deeper than that if you're ambitious. You can have a V-C branch that checks to see if your 'fire' variable is at least 1 AND your 'ice' variable is at least 1, and offer new options: 'Create a 'Burning Ice Dagger'? - Y/N'. With only 50 lines of code per event mode, that might get kinda hairy.

If you want to set up the blacksmith event around an NPC which serves as the blacksmith, you almost HAVE to use variables, as treasures can't be set as requirements for NPC activation. You CAN however place invisible auto events in the blacksmith shop which can be triggered by either having a treasure OR by a variable value. These events can then switch the modes of the NPC.

Without doing that, you must use variables. You'd do it the exact same way that you did it with the 'pedestal' event, but this time you should probably add some message displays & sound effects since you're actually dealing with a person.

Disadvantages of doing ANY of this are that there's no way to set a weapon to be 'un-sellable' or 'un-droppable', so the weapon-variable matching is not air-tight. Also, there's no way to check for an amount of money without doing away with ALL forms of money transactions that are not accompanied by an event which tracks the transaction, so charging money for the blacksmithing jobs (which makes sense), is very tricky. Oh well, you can get around that by having the blacksmith say something like "If you let me keep the materials you find, I'll smith your weapon for free!' Or something...

I hope this didn't just confuse you more...if you need help, just ask.

Lausen
04-13-2007, 08:30 PM
That was actually easier then I thought it would be, but I think I will just stick with the normal buy the weapon thing. I already made most of them.

Thanks for the tip. I will deffinetly try doing that for my next game. Adding different elements sounds like an interesting concept.

Red Dragon
04-13-2007, 08:41 PM
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I have to ask how you did this without the game crawling to a halt. I can't ever make big dungeon levels without the game wanting to stick me in glue.

hitogoroshi
04-13-2007, 08:53 PM
How do both dwarves have the highest ATT/DEF?

Lausen
04-13-2007, 09:02 PM
He never said they both had the best. He said the one has the traditional high ATT/DEF with white magic. Then went on to say the other has the better of the two. It confused me at first too. I read each a few times before I got it.:lol

Ωbright
04-14-2007, 12:21 AM
I have to ask how you did this without the game crawling to a halt. I can't ever make big dungeon levels without the game wanting to stick me in glue.

Um...I didn't....exactly. :red When I had to shave down my data size (I think the third time?) I took out all of the decorative displays in the dungeons. One of the advantages of that was that suddenly the processor lag was manageable. That's one of the reasons why I didn't put them back after making room later. Now when you first enter a complicated dungeon, there's some lag for a few seconds, but it goes away for the most part. Honestly I've pretty much gotten used to it. It's possible to encounter this in almost any dungeon, without regard to its complexity, anyway.

Perversion
04-14-2007, 01:14 AM
that there's no way to set a weapon to be 'un-sellable' or 'un-droppable',

Make it worth zero gold. You won't be able to sell it or drop it.

Ωbright
04-14-2007, 01:59 AM
I figured that could probably render an item un-sellable, but un-droppable as well? That is awesome...thanks, Perv!

Perversion
04-14-2007, 02:16 AM
Yeah, I'm almost positive that is the case...well, at least the makers of the game are pretty sure that's the case...on page 33 of the instruction manual, under the heading "Price," it says, "If you set this to zero, then the item cannot be sold or thrown away." I've actually never tried this out, but if the instruction manual says this, it's probably valid.

Ωbright
04-14-2007, 02:48 AM
I must have read that, but I forgot all about it. like you, I never really had a need to try and use it. Anyway, what I said was probably wrong, but the upshot is that blacksmithing is all the more sound because of it.

I have a SotT file on my computer to send when/if ever you can accept it. Now that it's backed up, I can free up some space on one of my cards. I was already planning to load up Series 1 again, so that's probably what I'll do. I need to go ahead and play it now, and when I'm done I'll resume working on Tree of Life officially.

Pageron's review of S1 REALLY made me want to play again...I for one really like wide open spaces to traverse. They make me feel like I've really gone somewhere. Even with RE's, I'll still enjoy a nice big world to explore.

Perversion
04-14-2007, 02:52 AM
I'll send my email in a PM...

JPS
03-16-2008, 09:43 AM
Wheres the item list?

I see all these items and have no idea what they do:cry

I was going to print it out and use it while I play but I cant now:(











:p

[EDIT]BAH! I just spent like an hour and a half on this thing only to die because I didnt know that trasure pile started the boss event, I thought it was a treasure event, I was going to grab all the treasure THEN save.>:

P.S. That first boss is incredibly strong, I leveled up quite a bit and he still was able to take my guys out with some of his attacks, I managed to take 400-500 HP out of him and he was still standing... the RE's are also taking forever to beat.

Dusk Raven
03-16-2008, 11:32 AM
Yeah... I beat him at level 4, only because of this item I found that did a good deal of damage to all enemies. I thought it was the key to defeating the first boss. It wasn't. Still beat him, though.

I also find it annoying it's impossible to cure poison without an item (no fault of yours, Obright). I walk into an inn, heal, and upon waking up I promptly take damage, thus ripping me off of my gold.

JPS
03-16-2008, 11:36 AM
It doesnt help that I had Joseph and Aratos, which is no good whatsoever, Joseph heals which is good but attacks for 0, Aratos cant attack at all but has super-powerful attacks, but his MP gets depleted fast.

I also had Brogan who is prety strong but he died soon into the battle and I had no way to revive him(what level do you learn a revive skill on?)

Lausen
03-16-2008, 12:12 PM
BAH! I just spent like an hour and a half on this thing only to die because I didnt know that trasure pile started the boss event, I thought it was a treasure event, I was going to grab all the treasure THEN save.>:

:lol I remember that part. Same thing happened. Oh, look treasure. BOOM!!! boss battle. Things even off pretty decent though. Most games I've played tend to be hard until growing a few levels. Anyway I hope you enjoy the game JPS. I did,

JPS
03-16-2008, 12:17 PM
I just started the game over with Brogan, Duggan, and Karl, and after my first battle I already got a Lucky Power Ring...so yeah, Im doing good now.

I like brute strength over magic anyday.:lol

Dusk Raven
03-16-2008, 02:03 PM
I've heard some talk on versions and I realized I don't know what version I have.

To my credit, I've defeated a number of Anubites and gotten nothing from them, so I assume the error isn't in the version I have....

Oh, yeah, I started playing it again. I'm playing it now.

Ωbright
03-17-2008, 07:22 AM
I just started the game over with Brogan, Duggan, and Karl...

You got rid of Joseph...and Aratos? LOL!! Those are arguaby the most versatile, and the most powerful characters (in that order) in the game. Did you expect them to be uber godlike from the beginning? :lol Well I designed it to suit a lot of tastes, so if you like it that way then that's great. Joseph is the one who learns skills from enemies, but Karl is equally useful, I guess. They both have healing, revive, attack, status up, and status down skills, but Joseph's special thing is that you can run from any non-boss battle as long as he's in your battle party. Karl has something too though...NONE of his skills require any points of any kind. He's also the only character who can revive MP, and since you still have Brogan and Troy, that's still an issue for you.

Karl learns the skill Chakra, which restores HP/MP eventually (I forget which level, sorry. I need to use that character sheet maker! :p), and Brogan learns Quantum Rain (heal-all +120) at level 14. He also learns the skill phoenix Flame, which revives all. Again, I can't remember what level he learns it. Maybe 20?

Having those 3 characters is fine, but you're unfortunately going to rely more heavily upon items until you gain some levels. Enemy drops will help with this, and also chests in dungeons. You honestly only should HAVE to buy items in a pinch.

I guess I do need an item list posted somewhere. I stopped adding the item info text in the game because it's buggy, and cuts off the text before the number of characters runs out. It's extremely annoying, so I stopped doing it. You can still see what the item does in the item info window, there's just no snappy line about how many crystallized milkworms it took to make the robe you just found, or how the gods themselves had crafted the sword you just won for completing the ancient hero's trial. You're not half as disappointed as I was, believe me. :(

Here are some I can remember off the top of my head, though:

Ether - clears status
Smelling Salts - revives dead

...and after my first battle I already got a Lucky Power Ring...so yeah, Im doing good now.

I like brute strength over magic anyday.:lol

WTF!! That's insane...seriously? :lol Well I think you're right to take that as a sign that you altered fate the right way. HAH! Funny thing is, Brogan is the only character that can equip both the Lucky Magic Ring and the Lucky Power Ring, so even if you get one of those, you can put it on him.

Oh, and for people that don't know, about 99% of the battles in the game have a very rare chance of dropping either a Lucky Magic Ring (Boosts MAG by a lot, regenerates MP, and adds +99 to LUCK), or a Lucky Power Ring (which boosts STR by a lot, regenerates HP, and adds +99 to LUCK). In 4 complete playthroughs I got one of them one time, I got the other one 2 times, and got one of each one time.

I've heard some talk on versions and I realized I don't know what version I have.

To my credit, I've defeated a number of Anubites and gotten nothing from them, so I assume the error isn't in the version I have....

Oh, yeah, I started playing it again. I'm playing it now.

Wow, it's cool to see people playing this game. I'd all but forgotten it while I was still working on tree of life, but lately I've been thinking about it again. If the talk you heard was from the page where you downloaded the game, then you have the right version. If it was from that walkthrough, then you were right to check those Anubites. If they don't drop a scroll that teaches Joseph a skill, then you're golden. You might even look in the editor, just to be sure. Those guys are listed as 'pyramid party', but I can't remember which number. In any case, it's the one(s) with an Anubite within. :p

Thanks a lot, you guys.

JPS
03-17-2008, 08:40 PM
You got rid of Joseph...and Aratos? LOL!! Those are arguaby the most versatile, and the most powerful characters (in that order) in the game. Did you expect them to be uber godlike from the beginning? :lol Well I designed it to suit a lot of tastes, so if you like it that way then that's great. Joseph is the one who learns skills from enemies, but Karl is equally useful, I guess. They both have healing, revive, attack, status up, and status down skills, but Joseph's special thing is that you can run from any non-boss battle as long as he's in your battle party. Karl has something too though...NONE of his skills require any points of any kind. He's also the only character who can revive MP, and since you still have Brogan and Troy, that's still an issue for you..
I didnt really care too much for Joseph or Aratos, early in the game I could only attack with Brogan and Troy, the other 2 didnt do anything useful at all and they ended up being dead before too long...Joseph didnt do anything for me and Aratos had powerful skills but the skills depleted his MP within a few turns.

The first playthrough with those 2 characters in my party, a battle with 3 normal enemies, no lie, would take about 5 minutes per battle because I had 2 people standing around doing anything...now I can do a battle in under 1 minute at the start of the game.

Karl learns the skill Chakra, which restores HP/MP eventually (I forget which level, sorry. I need to use that character sheet maker! :p), and Brogan learns Quantum Rain (heal-all +120) at level 14. He also learns the skill phoenix Flame, which revives all. Again, I can't remember what level he learns it. Maybe 20?

Having those 3 characters is fine, but you're unfortunately going to rely more heavily upon items until you gain some levels. Enemy drops will help with this, and also chests in dungeons. You honestly only should HAVE to buy items in a pinch.

I'm not having problems at all right now, 3 of my 4 characters are hitting for at least 100, most of the time I kill the enemies before they even get a chance to hit...Im planning on hanging around town until I get all characters to at least level 15.

WTF!! That's insane...seriously? :lol Well I think you're right to take that as a sign that you altered fate the right way. HAH! Funny thing is, Brogan is the only character that can equip both the Lucky Magic Ring and the Lucky Power Ring, so even if you get one of those, you can put it on him.

Wow, nice to see Im that lucky:lol

Oh, and for people that don't know, about 99% of the battles in the game have a very rare chance of dropping either a Lucky Magic Ring (Boosts MAG by a lot, regenerates MP, and adds +99 to LUCK), or a Lucky Power Ring (which boosts STR by a lot, regenerates HP, and adds +99 to LUCK). In 4 complete playthroughs I got one of them one time, I got the other one 2 times, and got one of each one time.
The Lucky Power Ring boosts all stats :p

Dusk Raven
03-17-2008, 10:59 PM
At the beginning I chose Brogan (sentimental value, he helped Troy out when he was young, after all), Loren (sounded like I'd need a guardian, and trust me, I did), and Joseph (Dark Scholar. Is that not a cool name and a cool trade?)

Brogan has a strange combination of brute strength and enhancement magic. Most of the spells I don't use (mostly because I forget what they do), but his attack damage makes him useful nonetheless.

Loren became somewhat of a nuisance early on, due to his tendency to die during fights. As a result, he has quite a bit less experience than the other members (Not more than a level behind at this point, though). He has some defensive spells, but I believe their only use lies in their special effects, because they normally improve defense, and no enemy I've faced yet uses normal attacks. He also has some rather potent attack spells.

Joseph is an interesting case. He doesn't have many spells right now, but he has plenty enough for me. If he were in my game, I would classify him as a Bright Mage: His few spells are to-the-point damage and healing spells that are quite potent (except for First Aid, which at this point is mostly limited in usefulness to after-battle patching up). Two attack spells (I looked at this guide to get one of them, though... the shame :(), one single and one multi; a weak healing spell, a potent multi-healing spell (of which my party now has two, certousy of Brogan), and a Revive spell. There's a number of tactical functions he can perform at any time, provided his MP doesn't run out.

Together these three men and I have gone through the Amber tower, and I am currently pondering whether to try and go back down to the town... while the volcano's erupting.

By the way, am I gonna meet any NPC's of plot significance, or am I all alone in a wonderful world? I don't mind being alone, at least it's us doing this quest because we want to and not because the king told us to. I always thought that was an interesting story, a band of comrades going out on a completely cliche "grab the magical spheres" style quest (for no reason whatsoever, even!), and yet I somehow don't have a problem with it. Maybe the lack of sentient life is making it a bit surreal for me. I still like it. Once I'm done I'll write a review.

JPS
03-17-2008, 11:01 PM
OH NOZ SPOILERZ:(

Dusk Raven
03-17-2008, 11:07 PM
OH NOZ SPOILERZ:(

Fixed. :lol

Ωbright
03-19-2008, 06:47 AM
HAH! Now it's not fixed in your quote, JPS!

Anyway thanks Dusk, I'm glad you appreciate the 'storyline'. :p

Why did the heroes embark on such a perilous journey?

A) To save the world
B) They had no choice
C) They did it on a bet

Right? I mean why the hell not? In a way, I always kinda resented having all of my actions dictated by an asshole. That sounds too much like real life. And while some may view that as a flimsy pretext to build a story on, I actually did pull one off...I think. :| It also didn't help that I had to remove all of the NPC's but one. The idea is that Mercer's prior rampage has thinned out most of the population, but even that is pretty wack when you consider that all of the shops are still open somehow. In a lot of ways Tree of life is the game I wanted to make when I started making Shadow of the Towers, but I wanted to make a game that was just about a group of old friends out having a good time traveling the world like they used to. You probably don't remember the cartoon 'Dungeons and Dragons', but no matter what happened to the characters on that show, the basic premise was about the characters...how they reacted to situations, and how they interacted with each other. That's pretty much what I was shooting for with Shadow of the Towers.

Anyway, I had to get my wanderlust out of my system before I could settle down to make Tree of life. SotT used 14 maps, and that was the cause of most of my memory woes.

...Im planning on hanging around town until I get all characters to at least level 15.

You can if you want to, but you'll be totally destroying any challenge at all in the game. The second boss is at the very end of the second area, and is designed to be challenging at level 12-13, and a bit easier at 14-15. Anything much over that is way too easy, and if you train to level 15 before you even go to the next area, then you'll be way over by the time you get there.

Plus that will take like 17 years to train up that much on the first map!

Still though...if players want to play it that way, I just want them to have a good time doing it...that's all I care about. Just keep in mind that farming EXP to that extent has repercussions in the game, that's all. I've never actually tried to beat the game with the 3 exact people you chose though...so you might wind up being glad that you trained.


The Lucky Power Ring boosts all stats :p

Oh yeah...I forgot that I gave all stats a little bonus in the final version. There are several accessories that are better now. No item stats were harmed in the making of this version.

JPS
03-19-2008, 12:30 PM
How much more powerful are the skills over brute strength?

Ωbright
03-20-2008, 03:00 AM
How much more powerful are the skills over brute strength?

Honestly they're not, really. Magic can effect all enemies, it only hurts your MP to use it, and it never misses. Fighters do have skills though, and when they've depleted enough HP they can just use regular attacks, which mages can't do unless you put them on the front line. I actually do that with Aratus. He's a mage, but he's a big dude. He can take a fair amount of damage, and when he's on the front line he can actually dish out some damage, as well...especially at higher levels. There's even a staff that he can use which drains MP from enemies, which comes in really handy. Really the only 'typical' mages are Joseph and Gabriel...I wouldn't recommend putting them on the front line unless you're really careful. Like you said though...all enemies use skills quite often, so it doesn't matter so much where you put them anyway.

But you...Mr. I got a Lucky Power Ring on the first battle...probably don't need to worry. You see, you have 2 people in your party who can equip club-type weapons. The thing with those is that they all have a set chance of inflicting double damage. If you get a critical on an attack in which you also inflict double damage, you can get damage well into the 4-digits. I've only seen it happen once, but since you have a Lucky Power Ring, you increase the chances of getting a critical (I'm almost positive), and therefore increase the chances of getting a super critical...which if it doesn't kill an enemy, will leave it stunned.

...but it also has a chance of missing altogether.

So you tell me which is more powerful. :p

They really both are about equally powerful, especially since Aratos' magic is elemental, which can be used in the towers against enemies that are of a certain element. I pretty much made them that way, so that you can use just about any party combination that you want, whether it's magic/attack, all magic, or all attack.

I just have a personal affinity for the mages though, and I like a balanced team in that way.

JPS
03-21-2008, 08:16 PM
RM3 uses elemental effects?

How do you use those?

Lausen
03-21-2008, 08:25 PM
RM3 uses elemental effects?

How do you use those?

In the class editor you can place what their strengths and weaknesses are. For example you could set a characters weakness to devil, and a monsters strangth or type to devil. That monsters attack will be slightly boosted against you. You can even set them up to represent the basic fire, ice earth, water. Say all fire type attacks would be set to devil, all ice type set to Undead and so forth. You can be creative and come up with a pretty decent elemental system.

I hope that makes sense.

JPS
03-21-2008, 09:44 PM
Yeah it makes sense, I never thought to do that:D

Does anyone know exactly how much more strengths and weaknesses boosts attacks?

Ωbright
10-05-2008, 10:27 AM
Crythania actually utilized this system in his game Raiders of Lekunder long before I did in this game. :)

I'm actually not sure what the ratio is for damage with/without the strengths and weaknesses.

Is anybody still playing this, or did either of you guys ever beat it?